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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.

1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.

2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.

3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)

4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.

5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.

We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.

While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.

Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Post by ChesapeakeSwellfish »

I measure my salinity directly with a meter, but it (8.5 ppt) corresponds to a SG of ~1.005. I have a hard time with java fern - which is supposed to be the most salinity tolerant of those three in low salinity. If there's some plant leaf decay, that could contribute to the nitrates.

Has the better fish resumed his feeding? If both fish are affected, I suspect something in the water. You are using marine salt and not "aquarium salt"?
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Post by Pufferpunk »

There is no way to keep nitrAtes at 0 in a FW tank. anything <20 is fine.
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Post by ChesapeakeSwellfish »

Both stu's tank and mine are brackish - SG ~ 1.005; mine is reading 0 nitrates, using the Aquarium Pharmaceuticals FW/SW test kit. I haven't checked this kits' results by any other method, but I have the same test kit at work and gotten higher nitrates in hatchery tanks. The next increment from 0 on the color chart is 5 ppm and I've never been close to that color in my tank.
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Post by stu_mac »

Better fish is not eating much and not as lively as usual.
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Post by ChesapeakeSwellfish »

I think they have something in common that is wrong with them. And I don't think the nitrates are the problem - my comments about minimizing them were about my practice. How often do you change the water and how much do you change? Maybe there is something unknown in the water that is not being tested for/measured.
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Post by ChesapeakeSwellfish »

When you change your water, do you perform a good gravel vacuum? Its a long shot, but do you know if your dissolved oxygen is ok? A properly operating filter usually aerates enough for adequate/excess D.O.
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Post by Pufferpunk »

How exactally did you cycle the tank? Have the water tested at your LFS.
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Post by Kazarko »

parasites from live food? any signs of disease such as ich spots? Did you use any soap to clean your vacuum or whatever you used to remove water? Sometimes test kits can be wrong too. Did you test your tap water?
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Post by ChesapeakeSwellfish »

Any improvements, Stu?

Hoping that "no news is good news"...
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