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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.

1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.

2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.

3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)

4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.

5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.

We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.

While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.

Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Post by stu_mac »

I have 2 small F8 puffers in a 60 litre brackish tank. Water is 0.005, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate are fine. I was feeding live and frozen food, yesterday they both refused food and today one has fed a little but the other is still not feeding and isnt moving around much. When he does move he looks disorientated and struggles to keep his balance, he is also swimming into the glass. His markings have become a lot darker. Can anyone help? Quickly please.
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Post by ChesapeakeSwellfish »

salinity is ok; by "fine" do you mean 0 for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? How about temp and pH? Could they have gotten some bad food?
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Post by stu_mac »

nitrite 0
ammonia 0
nitrate about 30/40
ph 7.55
temp 24

Last food they ate was live bloodworm which they love.
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Post by ChesapeakeSwellfish »

I do water changes even though nitrates are 0, so you should do one now to get those nitrates down. Your pH is a bit low (have you added any meds?), but I doubt that's the cause of the problems you are seeing. Temp is ok, about 1C lower than mine.
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Post by stu_mac »

No meds. Just check them and looks like the poorly one is gulping at the surface. I'll do a water change now.
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Post by Peregrine »

Are these new puffers (how long have you had them?) If new and salintiy was raised to quickly???
Nitrate a little high (shd be ~10 )...at the very least a water change is needed
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Post by ChesapeakeSwellfish »

Important that your replacement water is at the same temp and salinity as your removed water. Does your water supply come pre-loaded with nitrates?
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Post by stu_mac »

Puffer that is ill ive had for only a week. Was eating great until yesterday. Salinity was tested in LFS and was exactly the same as my tank. Water that added is always same temp and salinity with no nitrates. Could the level of nitrates be causing this. I'll test them now.
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Post by stu_mac »

Nitrate is now ~10/15
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Post by ChesapeakeSwellfish »

I've seen worse nitrates with F8s that were ok - but you should strive for 0 nitrates anyway, so do that water change ASAP.

Did you add a new F8 to the tank with an established F8?
Is there a size difference? Have you seen any aggression or damage to the new fish?

My F8 was the smallest fish in a small tank at the LFS and was so aggressive to larger GSPs and other F8's and his behavior was so striking that I'll never put another fish with him. In addition to being the smallest, he had the best markings and was the only flawless, undamaged specimen. He rules a 30 gal (US) long.

I believe these are all wild-caught and internal parasites are common.
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Post by ChesapeakeSwellfish »

That was a fast water change!

Check water parameters daily now, and do more frequent water changes to get the nitrates to 0. Do you have plants to take up some of the nitrates? Do you remove uneaten food promptly?
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Post by stu_mac »

Same size, no aggression. There are some real plants in the tank, I'm presuming that this will cause no ill effects?
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Post by stu_mac »

All food is removed daily.
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Post by lisalisa »

I"m assuming you mean your SG is 1.005. What kind of plants do you have..most fare poorly in brackish water. Silly question, but what are you using to dechlorinate your water?
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Post by stu_mac »

Polysperma, vallisneria, java fern.
Nutrafin Aqua plus.
Yes 1.005
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