Another Young Suvattii Dead

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Another Young Suvattii Dead

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I've just found my other young suvattii dead in the tank. :(

He was fine last night, and I've been so busy this morning that I am not sure if he was already dead or not, but I think he must have been dead since early morning hours.

I haven't done the water tests yet to see what the water is like, but this is a tank that's been running since last year. I did have 2 young suvattii and 1 youngish Palembang in there, and a few months ago the one young suvattii died, leaving just 1 suvattii and 1 Palembang in the tank. I don't see any signs of biting on the dead suvattii, but I do see blotchy patches on his body. It sort of looks as if someone had taken bleach and removed some of the colouring to his body. The Palembang looks fine in every way, but naturally I am afraid that something might kill him too.
I need to go out for a bit, but when I come back, I'm going to do a big water change, and I will test the water too, just to see what things are looking like in that tank.
Does anyone have any ideas about the blotchy appearance of the suvattii. I will try and get a photo before I dispose of the body, and maybe that will help in getting a diagnosis.

I will post the photo and water parameters when I come back from doing my deeds.
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Re: Another Young Suvattii Dead

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Any chance the4 Palem is killing them in the night? I guess their bodies would be torn up though. Is he much bigger than them?
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That was actually my first thought too, but I can't see any signs of violence to the body, and the other suvattii that died didn't really have any outward signs either .... but I took 2 photos of the poor things body before I disposed of it, so that maybe someone can tell what it means the way the skin looks.
The Palembang is a bit bigger, but not by very much and they always seemed to get along, never any episodes of violence or bullying.

I did a 50% water change on the tank, but before I did, I checked a couple parameter:
Ammonia 0%
Nitrite 0%
Nitrate 40% (**Keep in mind that mine comes out of the tap at 40ppm and I don't have trouble with any of my other tanks with puffers in them -- so I don't think it's that**)

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I really love my suvattii and now I don't have any of the original babies that I got last year. I'd like to get more, but it would be nice to know why they are dying. I checked and the other small one died back on the 13th of October, so another death just after one month and one week. Weird! :shock:
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............very sorry :(...........
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Thank you eieio .... I've been sitting here thinking about this. I just don't understand what the situation is with the suvattii. I originally had 3 young suvattii in my tank ..... one died about 6-8 months ago, that was the first one to go. Then the other one dying last month in October, and now the last young one dying today. I don't understand it. I still have the old guy, Bam-Bam (he used to belong to flash.dan), and he's in an entirely different tank, so hopefully nothing will happen to him. But it's making me wonder what it is with the suvattii ... maybe something I'm doing, or not doing. I don't know, but it's not good because I like them, and I'd like to replace them. :(
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I'm sorry I can't be of any help...
but good luck in the future and sorry for your loss :(
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schismy007, were they all from the same "litter"?
if so, maybe a genetic problem.
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took me a bit to find this website
seems to be a lot of good info & there is a section regarding fish skin disorders
hope this helps........
http://www.nationalfishpharm.com
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Thank you L!$A for your kind words, and eieio - 2 of the suvattii were from the same litter and one was not, but as they looked all the same, I cannot tell you who died, and in what order.

I actually commented to my husband last night that the suvattii didn't look "normal", although his skin wasn't the colour it was when I found him dead, he looked okay, but it was more to do with his posture than anything else that made me think something was up, he was leaning to one side, but not completely over. But then I seen him later, at his regular hang-out spot, so I thought everything had returned to normal. :?
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Gosh, I'm terribly sorry for your loss :( he looks so sad. I hope you get to the bottom of it..
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I know, they are such cute little puffers too, it's awful to have to retrieve their body from the water so lifeless and still. I am already thinking of getting another, even though I should probably wait. Last year everybody had them and people were finding it hard to get rid of them, I mean, I got one for £5 because the man couldn't find a home for it. Now that I'd like to have another one, they just aren't to be found, although I do know of one place that has one. I may take a trip down there to see about getting another.
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