Not a thing! His colours are good; fins and gills appear normal, too. I'm treating with eSha 2000 just in case.t1gerbee wrote:I love my ceylon too.
Anything at all noticeable on the ill SAP.. bumps, fluffy bits... anything?
He's still going.
South American Puffer 'rolling'.
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1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
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Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
He's still going.
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Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
If you're treating with an antibiotic, keep a close eye on the parameters. A better "just in case" med, is Melafix. Totally natural (tea tree oil) & won't harm your biofilter.
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Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
Thanks, PufferPunk. I use Melafix on my newts sometimes, as it's gentle and amphibians tend not to tolerate harsher treatments. Just wanted to make sure if there's anything sinister at the bottom of this, that I caught it quickly. Thought eSha 2000 was my best bet.Pufferpunk wrote:If you're treating with an antibiotic, keep a close eye on the parameters. A better "just in case" med, is Melafix. Totally natural (tea tree oil) & won't harm your biofilter.
Checked the parameters this afternoon -- ammonia and nitrites still nil; nitrates down to 10 after this morning's water change. Will keep testing at intervals.
It's distressing to see the poor thing like this. I don't want him to suffer, but don't want to think about euthanising just yet. Maybe something will work.
I'm going to try putting a couple of river shrimp in the tank... might provide some interest for him. I've been feeding them pieces of river shrimp now and then, trying to get them to hunt and eat live ones eventually. I'd be happier if I saw him eat something.
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Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
Did you try the cooked shelled garden peas yet?
How about the puffer burping? If this is necessary, try trapping the puffer in a net under water and try to release any trapped air by tapping it gently. There's an article that PP suggested you look at in the library that might be helpful.
How about the puffer burping? If this is necessary, try trapping the puffer in a net under water and try to release any trapped air by tapping it gently. There's an article that PP suggested you look at in the library that might be helpful.
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Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
He wouldn't accept any food yesterday, but I will try again with the peas. I'm hoping he got some brine shrimp when I wasn't watching. My bristle nose plec loved the peas when I dropped them in his tank, though. He usually devours potato.coldmachineUK wrote:Did you try the cooked shelled garden peas yet?
How about the puffer burping? If this is necessary, try trapping the puffer in a net under water and try to release any trapped air by tapping it gently. There's an article that PP suggested you look at in the library that might be helpful.
Repeatedly tried to get the SAP to expel air. Held him in the net several times, face up and prodded his belly -- read the article, which will come in handy in the future, I'm sure.
He made it through the night, anyway. The other two are still fine, if looking a little put out by the lights going on early.
Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
OK, nevermind. He's dead.
Thanks anyway everyone. Hopefully it was just one of those things that happen.
Thanks anyway everyone. Hopefully it was just one of those things that happen.
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Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
What a drag, sorry to hear it. It sounds like you did just about everything you could do, but that doesn't make it any easier to deal with.
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Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
Sorry you lost him 
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IMO the peas are a good preventive in a fish's diet. I'd keep feeding them every once in a while. It is very hard to maintain consistant water parameters adding chemicals and a lot of work! If you make any changes do them gradual so the fish are not shocked by a Big change in the water parameters.
. IMO the peas are a good preventive in a fish's diet. I'd keep feeding them every once in a while. It is very hard to maintain consistant water parameters adding chemicals and a lot of work! If you make any changes do them gradual so the fish are not shocked by a Big change in the water parameters.
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Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
I'm really sorry to hear the outcomeTeePuff wrote:OK, nevermind. He's dead.
Thanks anyway everyone. Hopefully it was just one of those things that happen.
You're obviously a careful and conscientious fishkeeper so don't be put off by this. Sometimes, with puffs being wild caught primarily, there are things we may just simply not know about that lead to this sort of thing. You did what you could.Did our staff successfully help you? The Puffer Forum is an incredible resource and is run completely on the donations of its viewers. Proceeds from the Puffer Forum store go towards future contests and keeping the site running. We also welcome donations!
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Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
Me too. I lost my red-tailed shark, Freeman, just the other day. He was my first fish, along with some Serpae tetras.StormySkiez wrote:Sorry you lost him
IMO the peas are a good preventive in a fish's diet. I'd keep feeding them every once in a while. It is very hard to maintain consistant water parameters adding chemicals and a lot of work! If you make any changes do them gradual so the fish are not shocked by a Big change in the water parameters.
Again, I don't know what happened, but it was upsetting. It always is.I'm glad to have found out about the pea trick. I will do that.
I do bi-weekly changes, about 25% at a time. Just finished, in fact.
Thanks.
Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
Thanks. As I said above, I lost another fish the other day and was particularly worried about losing another.marksrush wrote:What a drag, sorry to hear it. It sounds like you did just about everything you could do, but that doesn't make it any easier to deal with.
Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
Just hope I did the right things, and didn't do any of the wrong things in the first place.coldmachineUK wrote:
I'm really sorry to hear the outcome
Luckily, the other two are looking well, and the levels are perfect after today's water change. Hopefully no more casualties for a while.
Thanks for all your advice. I'm going to remember the thing about the peas.
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Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
Are you using tap water now?
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Re: South American Puffer 'rolling'.
Yeah, I've reverted back to tap.Pufferpunk wrote:Are you using tap water now?