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I've decided to keep a detailed log here, of my experience with this product. I have tried everything but Dr Tim's, and since the crash, I've researched this product more and more, and decided I might as well give it a try, it can't result in any less than the situation I am right now or have experienced with other products during this crash of '10. Unless it results in death of my aquatic friends! :rant:

And so it begins!

Super excited to discover this interesting yet minimally spoken about product, (seriously I found like MAYBE 4 reviews?which were all positive and successful~,many were just questions about it, which resulted in the discussion of multiple people who were unfamiliar with the science behind the bacter let alone the functionality, and all who had not even tried it)) which somehow remains as #1 for bacterial starters at saltwater.about.com, I rushed home to find the shipping box.
As I opened it I found inside the couple bottles of RNB and a GIANT bag of tri based carbon. I double checked the quanity, yup, 5 lbs. But seriously, looking at the insane size of the bag, my first thought was, 'oh crap, how am I going to fit this into the 2 Aqueon 55 hob's!'
Glancing through the instructions on the bag and bottles, it was fairly similar to what I had found on the net.
I was ready!

After conversing with the fellow named Oliver Lucanus at sales@hdltd.com, whom I was told by the guy at majesticreefs.com, was the man responsible for the product duo I was putting to the test, (I will say on a side note, I have asked him an enormous amount of questions through about 9 different emails, and his responses and attitude remained helpful) I first had to prepare the TBPC.

They say on the package to use a colander to rinse, and then aerate for 2-3 days. (48 hours on the net) Still surprised at the massive volume of the 5 lb. bag (12"x14") in which the contents filled 3/4 of the way, I started to plan. I lack the colander, but really, is it needed?
I approached with the same method I've used to rinse sand, a 5 gallon bucket, the shower, and some time. I poured it into the bucket as a huge cloud formed in the bathroom, so I opened the window

Filling the bucket the first, I understood why I saw in one forum a man stated "it's the dirtiest thing I've ever seen". The water blackened like I had just dumped 100% black paint in. But I figured that's alright, all carbon does.

After filling, digging around with my hand to stir, and emptying perhaps 25 times, and 2 hours, and 3 breaks where I would take 5 to wash my hands because of the caked on blackness and enjoy a sit down, the water was finally gray! lol
But still, this only filled me with confidence as the sheer internal surface area must indeed be massive.
The one thing I did notice though, is as the TBPC was moistened over and over, it retained more and more water and became very heavy. Or I was getting more and more tired! lol I can't say for sure, since I didn't take notice of when I put it in the bucket, but it also seemed to gain a little more volume and resulted in filling the 5 gallon bucket to a little over 1/4.

After taking a few pics, the camera dying because I didn't charge it, and washing my hand yet again, (it's sitll as black as a freshly greased up hand from working on a car), I decided to sit down and write this. I might rinse a few more times, but otherwise I think I'll be on to the next part, aeration!

To be continued in 48 hours!
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im confuzzled already is this a cycling product?, but came with 5 lbs of carbon?. watching for updates, thanks for taking time to log this product.
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Already sounds like a huge, messy lot of work! How much did all this cost?
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Washing carbon by stirring by hand rather than in a net, mesh bag, or colander takes essentially forever becuase the friction against itself when stirring causes the carbon to grind more and more dust off of itself; you can end up washing it until it's nearly smooth(and 1/3 of it is washed down the drain) before it stops putting off black. I HIGHLY recommend small batches at a time in a net, under a flow of water in the sink, and only shaking it lightly a couple times. I did as you are doing once, NEVER again.
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(Sorry would have made a nice writeup like the other, but I'm just absolutely exhausted and completely releived at the same time :)

Lol! Ya, I was wondering that myself Nick as I rinsed it... Figured that's probably what was goin on after awhile...

But yes, after using this, I feel like a complete fool for setting up my tank and feeding fish food daily lol
It's like... when I use to use a 1200 baud modem to connect to a BBS or the internet when it first came out, and seeing it hit max speed, and a mp3 file would take ONLY 2 days to download!!! That was freaking fast!!!

Well, that's my opinion now of the 'classic' cycle...

This, is well, just beautiful. Little over 36 hours to full cycle for me, gotta get a canister though, the guy from majesticreefs agreed the amount of carbon in the hob is too much, not to mention the agitation to the surface is insufficient..

Otherwise ya, someone asked about the carbon, that was the exspensive part. 7$ for the bottle of bacteria. And you can use it without the carbon, but with the carbon it allows for aerobic reduction of nitrates.

I only got 5 lbs, need total of 8, but with a reef tank, it's Xgallons x .1667 / 3. So I'll prolly just use what I have, I guess I'll have to deal with <10ppm nitrates til I get some corals in here... /sigh
:D

Seriously though, I would definately have a bottle of this on standby JUST in case a tank ever crashed. Not to mention the bacteria within this is IMO far superior to the 'classic' ones...

/shrug I couldn't say no until I tried it, I have yet to see an article on the net where it didn't work for someone who actually tried it. I found A TON of threads across abunch of forums where people asked if it worked, and then others jumped in the conversation with little and no knowledge of the science behind it, but I sat down and studied a crap ton reading research paper after research paper having to do with the strains included, and wow... Also I want to do an experiment, because from what I can tell, the genus is the biggest survivor of the bacteria world. We're talking:
the ability to create spores tough enough to survive being petrified in a bee, inside amber, and revived XXXXXXX years later (the paper I read was an extint bee supposedly from umpteen million years ago)
some samples were so difficult to stain they had to boil the culture and then stain it, and the bacteria lived
able to survive desert temps
able to instead of just dying when environmental effects occur, they produce spores (to live yet again etc etc)
they're bioresistent to certain metals

I've got a longer list, but those are quite interesting just alone...

Oh, but unfortunately one of the strains nullifies explosives and radioactive material (gonna have to stop keeping that stuff in the tank...) :(
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"Aerobic reduction of nitrates"?
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ROFL.. why do I have a sneaky suspicion this is a marketing ploy for this product? Funny how a guy who back in early march claimed to be completely new to fishkeeping and "zero knowledge" is suddenly all over the web spouting off technical info left and right and pushing certain products. :giggle: Well, it takes all kinds to make the world go round. ;) *disclaimer* this is just my view of it all, and my views do no necessarily reflect the views of The Puffer Forum, its staff or related associates :hyper:

You didn't bother posting your actual test results over the 36 hour period. That might actually validate the product more than just a bunch of "yay it is wonderful" type of statements. When it comes to cycling a tank and potentially killing fish, fact means a lot more than opinion :)
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Im not understanding how this is working or is it? The carbon is a secondary product? What did the bacteria itself do with the tank? What was the log you kept of the nitrification process or have you done that?
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Tell me, how this bacteria is kept alive in a dry state? The only way to accomplish this would be to have it in spore form and nitrifying bacteria doesn't form spores.
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Lol Myaj, you're great! Nice job of catching that though ;)
I am indeed a quick learner, according to the Meyers-Briggs I'm INTP if you would care to look that up.
My expertise is with science and computers~

I did do reasearch on this before even considering to buy it. I'll post the notes I have at work tomorrow~
It includes a breakdown of the bacterias involved.

I know many of you will say "But bacillus isn't a nitrifying bacteria, it's land based!!!"

Well, touching on the subject, bacillus can survive in water, there is land under the ocean, and yes Dadof4, the stuff in a bottle is I'm assuming endospore form (different than regular spores) since that's what the genus does.

Bcummings- the carbon pellets are based from 3 different types of carbon, coal, synthetic lignite and coconut.
The bacteria itself will do it's job without the carbon pellets, but with, I'm thinking it's probably the lignite that does it, the bacteria will oxidize the carbon pellets to metabolize nitrates.

And my log for the first 48 hours was:
12am- .25-.5amm, 0 trites, 0-5 nitrates ~8ph ~300alk 1.016SG 79-80 degrees F
(the trates are present because of the crash, but I did multiple 50% WC's and pulled/cleaned everything but fish. The sand I agitated and vacuumed multiple times after agitation. This was all to pretty much reproduce a fresh tank scenario)

12pm- .25amm, .25trites,~5trates, same other stuff
12am-.5amm, .25trites, 5trates, same
12pm- <.5amm, trace trites, 5-10trates, same
12am 0amm, 0trites, ~10trates, same minus lil alk

But my setup is lacking, the hob's are too crammed with carbon, ordered a canister today so I can get the 6-10x turnover needed for nitrate reduction, and I'm only using 5lbs whereas I need 8 for 0 trates, but ya, don't want 0 etc etc...

Hit me with the question stick, I've studied the crap out of all the research papers I could find on the specific bacterias used in the genus..
I'll post the extra notes I have tomorrow when I get to work, got em collected on a sticky on the pc..
I'm surprised myself, but it's funny because BioSpira didn't work for me and that's what EVERYONE says to get lol
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Otherwise, for those who find it hard to believe, the one question I kept asking myself when I saw this product as somehow #1 on saltwater.about.com, and as I read through tons of super boring analysis papers:
If the "classic" nitrifying bacteria are the only ones, are you saying that there will NEVER be any new discoveries in microbial aquatic science?

I would bet my life on it, there will be. And according to what I'm seeing here in my living room, for once, the internet is not very up to date lol
I just got done reading another article the other day I ran across from 2008 I think?, and the Dr whoever, was talking about their new computerized rovers etc that are exploring some new deep sea site, and he said after one dive they came back with 6,000 undiscovered bacteria. 6,000!?! They lived in the land mass along a thermal vent and the area was completely rich in ammonia, but the bacteria only metabolized uhhh... magnesium and something else... the link is on the sticky..

I'll post tomorrow ;)
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I wouldn't jump on the guy just yet. I remember Flutter's friend using Septo Bac (a septic tank bacteria) to cycle her tanks.

When mine was taking a little too long, I add just a touch and it did boosted the cycling considerably. I went from barely cycled to almost fully cycled after 1 week. I still had trace Ammonia and Nitrites, but no where near the levels that were present prior to adding the product. I am not going to advocate the probuct because as Dad points out, I don't understand how it works, but in my case it did.

If Kungpaoshizi what to play chemist in his tank he should be welcome to do so :)
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What are you doing to keep the bacteria fed? Have you added fish yet?
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Ya, this was my tank with the puffs...

And ya JP, this bacteria cocktail (has like 8-10 or so different strains) was actually developed for waste water managment~
So it does more than metabolize for the nitrogen cycle...

But on another thought I just had too, I had some other people seriously challenege my reading/reporting of this, and I thought it was funny it was #1 on about.com, but I thought it was even funnier that the product/system has been around since like 1997? (that's the furthest back I've heard for a date, and on the main hdltd.com site in an article he states a fish shop in Florida that uses it, and they still use it currently for their tanks)

But also, for those who still doubt it, it's been around numerous years, and I do pride myself on my google searching abilities, but I still have yet to find an article (only found like MAYBE 5) in which the person posting actually USED the system and all posted positively.
So really, if you doubt it on a serious level, I would COMPLETELY appreciate it if you would post a link to the review where someone actually used it and it DID NOT work. (I have yet to find one)

On another note, about me, I'm sure some are wondering the same as Myaj, I never went to college, just always had a knack for learning and somehow understanding stuff (been working with computers since I was 5, now 28), I have worked at Aegon and now currently Rockwell, and I have designed multiple computer programs/systems that have earned me my solid reputation in the IT tech realm... /shrug just a side note of how easily I process information..
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HA! I think I have figured out exactly how this product works.
The combination of bacterias DO NOT metabolize the products of the nitrogen cycle, they utilize them in respiration, reproduction, and they use the individual chemicals as electron donors in their own life cycle and metabolism while breaking down other proteins/enzymes.
I took down all these tidbits of info, and as I neared the end, I realized I still had not seen any direct connection to their interactions towards the nitrogen cycle chemicals. So I had to dig deeper. Either way, I was still curious as to how my tank cycled in < a week...
After realizing that most of these utilize products in the nitrogen cycle during reductase reactions as the nitrogen cycle chemicals act as electron donors, I still wonder what other sort of interactions there are between these bacteria strains and surrounding enzymes and proteins that are present in aquatic systems...

But please excuse the length of notes here, I'll post other interesting things as I find them, this was the easy to find interesting tidbits~

This seems to be one of the best resources about the genus:
http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/Bacillus.html
Group 1 is:
Bacillus subtillis;
Bacillus sphaericus;
Bacillus megatarium; and
Bacillus licheniformis.
Group 2 is:
Enterobacter sakazakii; and
Bacillus coagulans.
Group 3 is:
Bacillus cereus.
Group 4 is:
Bacillus pasteurii;
Bacillus cirroflagellosus.
Group 5 is:
Bacillus pumilus.
and optionally with the enzymes Cellulase, Amylase, Protease, Lipase, and optionally with selected pancreatic preparations, and kidney microbia compositions.

About Bacillus:
Early attempts at classification of Bacillus species were based on two characteristics: aerobic growth and endospore formation.This resulted in tethering together many bacteria possessing different kinds of physiology and occupying a variety of habitats. Hence, the heterogeneity in physiology, ecology, and genetics, made it difficult to categorize the genus Bacillus or to make generalizations about it.
Endospores are so named because they are formed intacellularly, although they are eventually released from this mother cell or sporangium as free spores. Endospores have proven to be the most durable type of cell found in Nature, and in their cryptobiotic state of dormancy they can remain viable for extremely long periods of time, perhaps millions of years.
There is great diversity of physiology among the aerobic sporeformers, not surprising considering their recently-discovered phylogenetic diversity. Their collective features include degradation of most all substrates derived from plant and animal sources, including cellulose, starch, pectin, proteins, agar, hydrocarbons, and others; antibiotic production; nitrification; denitrification; nitrogen fixation; facultative lithotrophy; autotrophy; acidophily; alkaliphily; psychrophily; thermophily; and parasitism. Endospore formation, universally found in the group, is thought to be a strategy for survival in the soil environment, wherein these bacteria predominate. Aerial distribution of the dormant spores probably explains the occurrence of aerobic sporeformers in most habitats examined.
They are found growing over a range of pH from 2 to 11. In the laboratory, under optimal conditions of growth, Bacillus species exhibit generation times of about 25 minutes.
The variability of cell wall structure that is common in many Gram-positive bacteria does not occur in the genus Bacillus. The vegetative cell wall of almost all Bacillus species is made up of a peptidoglycan containing meso-diaminopimelic acid (DAP). (The cell walls of Sporosarcina pasteurii and S. globisporus, contain lysine in the place of DAP.) This is the same type of cell wall polymer that is nearly universal in Gram-negative bacteria, i.e., containing DAP as the diamino acid in position 3 of the tetrapeptide.
Mature spores have no detectable metabolism, a state that is described as cryptobiotic. They are highly resistant to environmental stresses such as high temperature (some endospores can be boiled for several hours and retain their viability), irradiation, strong acids, disinfectants, etc. Although cryptobiotic, they retain viability indefinitely such that under appropriate environmental conditions, they germinate into vegetative cells. Endospores are formed by vegetative cells in response to environmental signals that indicate a limiting factor for vegetative growth, such as exhaustion of an essential nutrient. They germinate and become vegetative cells when the environmental stress is relieved. Hence, endospore-formation is a mechanism of survival rather than a mechanism of reproduction.
Due to the resistance of their endospores to environmental stress, as well as their long-term survival under adverse conditions, most aerobic sporeformers are ubiquitous and can be isolated from a wide variety of sources. Hence, the occurrence of sporeforming bacteria in a certain environment is not necessarily an indication of habitat
Denitrifiers: include Bacillus azotoformans, Bacillus cereus, Brevibacillus laterosporus, Bacillus licheniformis, Sporosarcina pasteurii, Geobacillus stearothermophilus (over half the type species reduce NO3 to NO2). Although Bacillus species are common in agricultural soils, and they are attributed to participate in wasteful denitrification (conversion of the farmer's expensive NO3 fertilizers to volatile N2O or N2) their exact role in the economy of this processes has not been clarified. A related process conducted by some Bacillus species, called dissimilatory nitrate reduction, reduces NO3 to ammonia (NH3), but this is not considered denitrification.

The Genus Bacillus © 2009 Kenneth Todar, PhD (http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/Bacillus.html)

Little tidbits about each bacteria, only a couple from the book above.

Bacillus subtillis
Bacillus subtilis uses glutamine as the best source of nitrogen. In the absence of glutamine, alternative nitrogen sources such as ammonium can be used. Ammonium utilization involves the uptake of the gas or the ammonium ion, the synthesis of glutamine by the glutamine synthetase and the recycling of the glutamate by the glutamate synthase. In this work, ammonium transport in B. subtilis was studied. At high ammonium concentrations, a large fraction of the ammonium is present as ammonia, which may enter the cell via diffusion.
Depletion of carbon, nitrogen, or phosphorous causes the process of sporulation to begin
the ability to form a tough, protective endospore, allowing the organism to tolerate extreme environmental conditions
B. subtilis spores can survive the extreme heating that is often used to cook food
B. subtilis can divide symmetrically to make two daughter cells (binary fission), or asymmetrically, producing a single endospore that is resistant to environmental factors such as heat, acid, and salt, and which can persist in the environment for long periods of time
The bacteria can make ATP in anaerobic conditions via butanediol fermentation as well as nitrate ammonification. Bacillus subtilis can use nitrite or nitrate as a terminal acceptor of electrons. Bacillus subtilis contains two unique nitrate reductases. One is used for nitrate nitrogen assimilation and the other is used for nitrate respiration. However, there is only one nitrite reductase that serves both purposes. Nitrate reductase reduces nitrate to nitrite in nitrate respiration, which is then reduced to ammonia by nitrite reductase. Bacillus subtilis is different from other facultative aerobes in that it undergoes fermentation without external acceptors of electrons (Nakano 1998).
when carbon-, nitrogen- and phosphorus-nutrient levels fall below the bacterium's optimal threshold, it produces spores. Scientists have demonstrated that Bacillus subtilis concurrently produces antibiotics and spores
can convert explosives into harmless compounds of nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and water
plays a role in safe radionuclide waste [e.g. Thorium (IV) and Plutonium (IV)] disposal with the proton binding properties of its surfaces

Bacillus sphaericus
Bacillus sphaericus is a naturally occurring soil bacterium that can effectively kill mosquito larvae present in water
Environmental persistence of B. sphaericus varies depending on the formulation used and environmental conditions. Breakdown of B. sphaericus usually takes several weeks but residual levels have been shown to persist in some waters for up to nine months

The inability of the bacteria to metabolize carbohydrates requires that they be grown on proteinaceous media.

The specific requirement for acetate suggests that B. sphaericus might have developed the ability to grow particularly well on acetate, so that the bacteria can rapidly use a nutrient which may become available in soil close to decaying plant materials. So when a medium containing only acetate as the major carbon source was inoculated with pasteurized soil. B. sphaericus would grow most rapidly, being an efficient user of acetate. They would out grow competing microorganism which metabolise this substrate slowly.
Different substrates used were glucose, glucose-6-phosphate, fructose-1,6-diphosphate, glycerol, pyruvate, citrate, isocitrate, 2-oxoglutarate, malate and acetate. The unit of respiration rate is defined as the ppm of oxygen taken up per min at 30°C per mg protein.
(so ya, they didn't do the testing IN SOIL!!) lol I know what you were thinking....

Advantages of B. sphaericus over other larvicidal bacterial strains like Bacillus thuringiensis var israelensis is that it can grow even in polluted water (Baumann et al., 1991). The nutritional requirement of B. spherical are very simple but carbohydrate metabolism is not yet well studied.

Three of these strains grew and sporulated in the minimal medium containing only phosphate buffer (pH 7.2), 15 mM ammonium sulphate, inorganic salts and sodium acetate as a sole source of carbon, and 13 strains grew and sporulated when the above medium was supplemented with biotin and thiamine.

Bacillus megatarium
Bacillus megaterium is able to survive in some extreme conditions such as desert environments due to the spores it forms.
In order to accommodate former members of the genus Bacillus covered in this chapter, its title has been changed to "Gram-positive aerobic or facultative endospore-forming bacteria".
They are found growing over a range of pH from 2 to 11. In the laboratory, under optimal conditions of growth, Bacillus species exhibit generation times of about 25 minutes

Bacillus licheniformis
It can exist in spore form to resist harsh environs, or in a vegetative state when conditions are good.
B. licheniformis produces a variety of extracellular enzymes that are associated with the cycling of nutrients in nature. It is an apathogenic soil organism that is mostly associated with plant and plant materials in nature. Although it is most common to isolate this bacterium from is soil, it is believed that B. licheniformis can actually be isolated from practically anywhere since it produces highly resistant endospores that are spread around with dust.

Enterobacter sakazaki
Enterobacter cloacae is used in biological control of plant diseases
Enterobacter can be found on human skin and plants as well as in soil, water, sewage, intestinal tracts of humans and animals, and some dairy products (Health Canada).
Bacillus coagulans
Some research in animals (but not yet in humans) shows that Bacillus coagulans might increase immune system function and decrease harmful bacteria.
Bacillus coagulans is a species of beneficial bacteria, or probiotics. As defined by the World Health Organization (WHO), probiotics are live microorganisms, which, when administered in adequate amounts, confer a health benefit on the host
Some data found here, resulted in transformation of progesterone by marine bacteria(http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-prev ... ze=largest)
Bacillus cereus
The mechanism and the reason for NO production in nitrate-respiring B. cereus are unknown, but the amounts of NO released were in a similar range as in the denitrifying P. aeruginosa and thus may be of similar environmental importance
B. cereus bacteria are faculative anaerobes, and like other members of the genus Bacillus can produce protective endospores
B. cereus is often used as a food additive as a probiotic in animals to combat Salmonella and other microorganisms
Bacillus pasteurii
Microcosm experiments were performed to identify the influence of bacterial cell surfaces on the morphology, mineralogy, size and solubility of CaCO3 precipitated in response to the enzymatic hydrolysis of urea in an artificial groundwater (AGW) by the ureolytic bacteria, Bacillus pasteurii
Bacillus cirroflagellosus
Activity in antifungal areas
Bacillus pumilus
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Re: Hiatt's Cycle/Right Now Bacteria: Day 1

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This was a crashed tank, rather than a tank from scratch, right? So it already has some beneficial bacteria in the substrate at least. I am wondering if the bacteria in this product are strains that make it much easier for the strains which actually consume ammonia and nitrites to metabolize by doing a lot of the "work" for them. The carbon in high-flow filters could be to provide the high oxygen, high surface area colonization areas necessary for them to live in a tank in large enough numbers to matter. I also suspect that even with this special environment established for them, they will gradually die off as enough of the "usual" strains multiply enough to do the entire job themselves and starve the inoculated strains.
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