Need info on Ceylon Puffer!

PuffPower · Post by **PuffPower** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:32 pm

Hi guys,

I am new to this forum and I am researching on Ceylon Puffers. I have been keeping puffers for a little over 5 years now but my experience is limited to GSPs, F8s and dwarfs. I chanced upon a juvenile Ceylon (1 and a half inch) yesterday and I just could not pass it up. For now, it is temporarily residing in 10G freshwater tank (the store I bought it from had it in freshwater). I have a spare 30G empty tank which will be it's future home but I need more info on the care of Ceylons before I can set up the tank. The information that I found online has been conflicting. So I am here hoping that anyone who has experience keeping Ceylons can help by providing some info.

Thanks!
- Rachel

Post by **RTR** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:48 pm

Care is identical to GSP handling, so that should be no problem for you. They seem a bit calmer, maybe gentler than GSps, but they are not wimps. They do get a bit bigger, so you may want to consider at least a 40-long or maybe a 50 as permanent home. They tend to hold their colors better than GSPs, and in fact improve with age IME. Those two fish appear to among the most closely related, most smlilar in style and care, of the familiar puffers.

Just in case you have not seen it, PP's article on GSPs is:

http://www.thepufferforum.com/articles/ ... togsp.html

HTH

PuffPower · Post by **PuffPower** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:05 pm

Thank you for your prompt reply! By similar care, does that mean that both Ceylons and GSPs will thrive in similar water parameters? If so, then will it be possible for me to move my Ceylon in with my 2 GSPs in my 55G brackish tank? I will slowly acclimate him to the SG of my 55G of course, which is at 1.018. You said Ceylons are gentler than GSPs, will that be a problem? The GSPs won't be able to pick on the Ceylon too much, will they?

Thanks again!
- Rachel

Phaedrus · Post by **Phaedrus** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:46 pm

1 ceylon and 2 GSP in a 55 gallon might be pushing it, especially if the ceylon is much smaller than the GSPs. They might consider him lunch... And the bioload might be a bit much as well.

Also, since he is so young, such a high salinity at this point in his life might not be the best for him. Like GSPs, they move from fresh water to salt water as they age and grow.

Post by **Pufferpunk** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:19 pm

I moved a 4" Ceylon in w/2 6" GSPs & they all were fine (w/puffers you can't tell for sure though...). I wound up haveing to rehome them, cause a 55g just wasn't large enough for 3 adults. I think 1 would have been happy alone in there.

Tihsho · Post by **Tihsho** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:38 pm

I've found something that breaks the laws on Bioloads, well it lasts for tanks from 50-125, overfiltration. I have a 95 gallon with mature figure 8's, bumble bee gobies, archers, and monos and I have 4 Fluvals on there (x2 104's, x2 404's)

lisalisa · Post by **lisalisa** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:41 pm

Over filtration does help, but ultimately it's about aggression, physical and psychological space. I'd go bigger.

Post by **Pufferpunk** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:56 am

Bioload had nothing to do w/re-homing my puffers. They needed more swimming room. Believe me, I had plenty of filtration & did 50% weekly water changes.

YBeNormal · Post by **YBeNormal** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:25 am

Relying on over-filtration (if there is such a thing) to compensate for an overstocked tank is flirting with disaster. All it takes is one extended power outage to bring everything crashing down. Speaking from experience...

Post by **RTR** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:07 pm

Puffers are high bioload fish, do doubt about it. That said, it still has little to do with the space/water voume/swimming room and personal territory needed by large hunter predators. Nothing substitutes for space and volume. As an aside, I also agree strongly with ybenormal's comment on emergency situations - space is cheap insurance.

Tihsho · Post by **Tihsho** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:58 pm

Woops, I wasn't talking about the 'over stocking' factor. I forgot to take that to thought. But yeah the over filtration factor I was looking at was keeping a high bioload (juvenile mind you) in a wee bit smaller tank. But of course you will have to bump up when it comes to growth and or adding other species in.

Sorry for the confusion.

lisalisa · Post by **lisalisa** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:00 pm

Tihsho · Post by **Tihsho** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:30 pm

Hope that cleared it up.

YBeNormal · Post by **YBeNormal** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:23 pm

Yep, very clear.

Over-filtration = good
Extra space, water and swimming area = good
Overstocking = not so good/very bad/not recommended

It's that last one that gets so many of us in trouble.

Tihsho · Post by **Tihsho** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:54 pm

No such thing as overstocking unless your running your tank population like a petsmart (think of it that way)

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