Help! Unusual F8 behavior
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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corinaswim
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Help! Unusual F8 behavior
About 24 hours ago I had to place my F8 in clove oil to trim his teeth. Everything went fine and I put him in the fresh water once I was done. He came back all right and I put him back in the tank. He seemed to act normal. But he slowly began to act more and more unusual. It started with him just swimming in one corner of the tank. Now he swims vertically with his tail pointing upward. He swims very slow and bumps into things. He does not seem to be getting better. He is in a tank with other fish and I do not know if that may be stressing him out. Is this normal? What should I do?
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corinaswim
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Re: Help! Unusual F8 behavior
I added 3 cups of tank water and 3 drops of clove oil to that. It took about 3 minutes for him to fall asleep and then he was only under for about 2 minutes. I got nervous and put him back in the fresh water before I was done. So I did not do a very good job. He is breathing quite heavily as well.
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Re: Help! Unusual F8 behavior
Perhaps he was in the oil for too long. Clove oil is used to euthanize fish as well. I am not too knowledgeable about puffer dentistry, but just keep an eye on him. PufferPunk wrote the article in the library so I am sure she could help you more about it. Good Luck and I hope the little guy is ok.
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Re: Help! Unusual F8 behavior
Did you give the CO water a good stir before adding the fish? 3 minutes is way longer than it ever took my fish to fall asleep. Only about 30 seconds on average.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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corinaswim
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Re: Help! Unusual F8 behavior
I did all of that and I read the directions carefully. That is why I did not want to work on him too long because I knew it should not have taken that long. I think he may have been too weak when I did it. Sadly, Steve (my puffer) passed away this afternoon. I think he went too long without the trimming and was just too weak to handle the CO. Thank you for your advice. I will definitely keep all of this in mind if (hopefully not, because I will take extra caution for the future) I have to do this again. Thanks again. I will miss Steve very much. I was pretty attached to the little guy.
Re: Help! Unusual F8 behavior
I am sorry to hear about Steve. Puffers certainly do worm their way into your heart.
My F8s always seem to take awhile to pass out. Your dosage and method sound right, I don't think you did anything wrong. Unfortunately dentistry is risky at the best of times.
Keep your chin up.
My F8s always seem to take awhile to pass out. Your dosage and method sound right, I don't think you did anything wrong. Unfortunately dentistry is risky at the best of times.
Keep your chin up.
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