We just obtained a GSP, we have a few ?'s

Post by **Pufferpunk** » Fri May 18, 2007 11:32 am

Nope, GSP. Here's a Ceylon:

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Fri May 18, 2007 12:14 pm

What are the ranges on cyelon vs gsp vs Sabahensis in the wild?

Pandora114 · Post by **Pandora114** » Fri May 18, 2007 12:17 pm

If it's a GSP it looks mighty stressed from the colorations...

He's awfully dark that's for sure....n that's a sure sign of stress...

What's the water parameters? Other than SG...

Allan · Post by **Allan** » Fri May 18, 2007 2:27 pm

I apologize again for the pictures, they are very dark and do not really show the puffer very well. I assure you that he is not as dark as he appears in the picture. The PH is 8.0, Nitrates and ammonia = 0. The temp is 76F. SG ~ 1.005. The tank is small (14gal) but only temporary.

He eats like a pig and is very active and pleasure to watch.

Thanks everyone for replying I am learning alot.

Al

Post by **Pufferpunk** » Fri May 18, 2007 3:05 pm

A 4 1/2" fish in a 14g? How soon are you planning the upgrade? Soon, I hope. How was the tank cycled? You need to be doing 50% water changes every day on that small tank, with that much bioload going on.

Allan · Post by **Allan** » Fri May 18, 2007 7:00 pm

Pufferpunk wrote:A 4 1/2" fish in a 14g? How soon are you planning the upgrade? Soon, I hope. How was the tank cycled? You need to be doing 50% water changes every day on that small tank, with that much bioload going on.

No worries about water changes, I am on top of those. I hope to have the tank moved this weekend. Both tanks are well established cycled tanks that have been running for almost two years.

Post by **Myaj** » Sat May 19, 2007 6:15 pm

Wow, he's a cutie. I'm definately looking forward to some side view shots in better lighting, he sure does look like the Sabahensis that have been showing up lately.

Allan · Post by **Allan** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:00 pm

OK the new home for our GSP is ready to prep. I am reading if I raise the SG too fast I will kill off the FW beneficial bacteria I already have in this well established FW tank. I am reading about SW beneficial bacteria being different. My problem is our GSP is in a SG of 1.010 at the moment. I really don't want to bring the SG down so that I can put him or her in their new home. Should I be worried if I bring the SG up in the new home to 1.010 over night? If so will I have to re-cycle the tank?

Thanks for your replies in advance.

Al

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:16 pm

The puffer is WAY less SG sensitive than the bacteria in the tank. Adult GSPs appear to breed in fresh or nearly fresh water, so they can tolerate it for a time without ill effect. I'd acclimate the puffer down to 1.002 over several hours, and bring the tank up to 1.002 as soon as you remove the other fish in the tank, then add the puffer. Make sure it's not empty for more than a day maybe, or the bacteria that keep it cycled will all starve., and increase the SG in the tank by .002 each week until you are where you want to be.

spoot · Post by **spoot** » Fri May 25, 2007 3:47 am

Doesn't look like our baby ceylons or any other big GSP IMO. Looks to me like a sabahensis; but I'm not that good at ID-ing puffers.

Allan · Post by **Allan** » Fri May 25, 2007 2:52 pm

Here are a couple more pictures as promised. Yes he is in his new home!!

Hopefully we can decide what kind of puffer he is now!
Al

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Fri May 25, 2007 2:56 pm

Wow, I do think thats a Sabahensis, the face is a little more pointy and the eyes a little lower than Shakespeare's, and too many of the spots are off round. I really want to know the natural range on this fish, as I am wondering now if they might hybridize with GSP.

OraLacerta · Post by **OraLacerta** » Fri May 25, 2007 3:01 pm

These pictures are much better, thanks for posting them!

His body profile certainly looks like a sabahensis but his markings aren't the same as Hilly's and look more like a mix of a sabahensis
and a GSP... We're going to need Hilly's help in this one!

Boxermom · Post by **Boxermom** » Fri May 25, 2007 3:05 pm

I'm starting to believe Sabahensis is just a a color/pattern morph of Ceylons.

OraLacerta · Post by **OraLacerta** » Fri May 25, 2007 3:07 pm

Comparing the profile of your fish with Hilly's in the second and third links is a pretty good way to see the similarities:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e394/ ... rside2.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/ ... C00779.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/ ... C00787.jpg
The last two images being from Hilly's thread on his puffer.
http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/vie ... sabahensis

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