Hi Pufferpunk and all
I am taking over my old tank from Bronwyn (cape town) with GSP (Shermy),
I am moving everything back to my place this weekend.
Went to visit Shermy last night i saw he had a bad case of Ich (not just white spots but more white patches)
I know the move will be a stressful affair for him, and with the ich and all i just wanted to get your thoughts on the best way to deal with the situation.
From your write up you suggested dropping the SG. at the moment it is at 1.010. i shall drop the SG Slowly as you have suggested and will not use copper treatment. (hopefully this will solve the ich problem)
I have also ordered a new tank as the old one has a few scratches and i like the idea of starting with new tank (23 gals). Shermy is now about 2" and i will invest in a bigger tank in the future when he grows more.
Also A few questions regarding the move:
1. Can i full the tank (once moved) with freshly mixed water (100% water change). (obviously ensuring that the PH, SG, and temp is the same as before) and just put the existing substrate and filters with bacteria in onto the tank ?
2. Would it be to stressful to also give Shermy a Fresh water dipp before putting him into the new tank?
3. If i give the substrate a good clean (rinse with fresh water) or add new substrate, will this make the tank re-cycle again (even with the matured filters on)?
4. If i changed substrate and do a 100% water change with new tank, but kept the filters and bacteria, would this cause the tank to cycle again ? and would this help rid the ich faster (if i gave him a fresh water dip before introducing him into the new tank ?
5. what are the chances of me moving and getting rid of the ich (or should i say is the whole ordeal going to be to stressfull for Shermy to handle)
i really want to try and ensure 3 year old Shermy survives this whole ordeal.
Everyones input ,suggestions, stories of similar experiences are wellcome.
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Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Move tank with ich
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White patches is usually not ich. Ich looks like small round salt grains. What do the white patches look like?
Tina
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it is very difficult to see from the pics, but defiantly is more patchy that and not grainy like ich, what do you think it could be ?
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Patchy and not grainy is more likely a fungus rather than ich. Treatment is generally Melafix and Pimafix.
Tina
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I just spoke to tracee, she says that they look more like white flakes??
I will ask the LSF about those two products although i do remember getting a confused look from the Owner last time i asked about melafix.
Can they be ordered online?
I will ask the LSF about those two products although i do remember getting a confused look from the Owner last time i asked about melafix.
Can they be ordered online?
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I have found some Melafix and Priafix and am going to order them anyway as i have read the articles about there benefits. will these help with the white patches ?
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I just got the melafix and primafix, can i treat the tank with both products at the same time ?
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HI All
The move was a success! Shermy seems to be on a path to a good recovery, Day three of M&Pfix, the white patches or flakes are still visible, still a little dark from stress, but he is very relaxed and swimming around curiously
Trying to get a snail colony going again, could only find babies though.
Thanks for all the excellent advice!
The move was a success! Shermy seems to be on a path to a good recovery, Day three of M&Pfix, the white patches or flakes are still visible, still a little dark from stress, but he is very relaxed and swimming around curiously
Trying to get a snail colony going again, could only find babies though.
Thanks for all the excellent advice!
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Just an update: Shermy is looking better, with the black stress marks are starting to go away and bright colors slowly returning, the white patches are still visible and no signs of them going away yet (still two days to go of P&Mfix). He is otherwise fine showing signs of normal puffer behavior
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I managed to get some video footage, please have a look and let me know what you think the white marks are? they look like cuts in the skin to me. Shermy has finished 7 days of M&Pfix treatment. If the white marks are cuts, how long should they take to heal?
http://www.area51.co.za/Puffer/Cap01.wmv
http://www.area51.co.za/Puffer/Cap01.wmv
23G - 1 x Green Spotted Puppy (Shermy) & 1x Blue spotted African Mudskipper, Periopthalmus barbarus (Blinky)
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1 x 24' Muni cycle (mountain Uni cycle)
Lots Of Fun!
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There's definitel something not right with that fish. Looks like a tumor or something bulging on his side.
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He almost looks like he was chewed up and spit out and survived the ordeal with some mutilation, his left side looks like he's got a hernia(can fish even get these? The bulge definately is odd, BM) and the healing marks look like skin damage.
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