cloudy eyes, no appetite mbu giant puffer

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Post by Hilly »

Melafix is generally used to aid in the healing of damage to skin and fins, pimafix is an antifungal remedy. You can use them both together.
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Lovely job, thanks.
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Post by clairey29 »

My boy still has no change :o( How long does Melafix take to start showing some results as his grey patch on underbelly is getting slightly bigger near the tail? Please help!
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Post by Pufferpunk »

Melafix is not a cure-all. It's only for minor abrasions, scrapes & irritations. Not for anything major.
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Can you recommend trying anything else or is it truly a case of wait and see? :cry:
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Post by Pufferpunk »

Large water changes.
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Post by clairey29 »

My boy finally ate after two weeks last night. I had cut mussel up and went to hand feed him as usual and he ate 3 peices! :D Although i am near the end of the Melafix/Pimafix treatment he is still banging into things and eyes have a kind of oil looking green stuff (not completely covered) so i fear he is blind because of this mystery illness? :cry:
Water still perfect and he wont eat today but i suppose its one day at a time?
He had been taking the fine gravel into his mouth then spitting out previous to eating in last few days- any ideas?
I have got a pic of him now in my gallery and will upload some more of him in his ill state as that was wen he was healthy. :(
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Post by manutius »

Hi Claire, great news that he is eating, YIPPEE!!!! The garvel spitting is probably him expelling it as he searches the gravel for thigs to eat. Clooney does it all the time and its a sign of them being hungry, so not a thing to worry about. I just checked out your pics and it looks to me on the close up that his eyes seem ok, the oily film is natural I think its the membrane over the eye, Clooney has it too.

http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/vie ... php?t=7706

It does seem odd that yours is still bumping into things though, only time will tell with plenty of water changes. I tend to do one full gravel vac mid weekchanging 25% then one water change of 25% later in the week, normally Monday and thursday
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Post by Peregrine »

If it was a trauma that was swelling...I would suggest the use of epsom salts to reduce swelling...
along with Melafix

I am not sure if it is appropriate in this case...but it would do no harm either if you wanted to try it...
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Post by clairey29 »

thanks...he has not eaten since and no change in anything else. I will see how he goes over next few days then fire back with an update,fingers crossed. :durr:
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Post by clairey29 »

Hi all - Well the good news is my mbu is eating again (picky..but eating!) :D
The bad news is even after treating with Pemafix and Melafix he appears to be left blind. :cry:

His eyes look like the pupil bit is greenish (used to be black), not all over but covering approx 3/4 of each eye and he defo does not see me in front of the tank or anything in the tank as keeps bashing into things.
Anyone has anything similar?

Also, is it ok for his underbelly to be slightly grey on the edges still as aside from this he seems ok?
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Post by Nick »

If the color is still off he may still have a bacterial infection in the eye jelly - perhaps antibiotic baths? Treating the main tank with antibiotics will kill the biofilter, and as such is a very risky operation.
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Post by manutius »

A bath is a diffilcult thing to do with a Mbu Nick but I think your suggestion would help the problem.

Claire can you catch him and give him a bath in a large enough container?
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Post by clairey29 »

I have a small fishtank (unused at present which i could bath him in or a bucket)which would be best?? Is it best to use smallest container?
Also, what antibiotic should i use and how long do i bathe him for and over how long a period please?
Thanks for all the help guys - he has his normal healthy appetite back so least that is one bit of good news. :)
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Post by manutius »

I think its easier to use the smaller container as long as its actually big enough. The smaller container will allow for a better concentration of solution I think
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