White blotch around porcs mouth?

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White blotch around porcs mouth?

Post by crazedpuffer »

Hi guys, I've had my porc for over a year now with no problems, but just now when I fed him when he went to eat the food he looked like he was yawning or something and couldnt close his mouth. Then I noticed it had white blotches all around it's mouth too. Could it be from getting pick on or is he sick?

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Post by Nick »

Can he close his mouth? Porcs fed mostly krill often get a B vitamin deficiency which gives them lockjaw. If he can't close his mouth I would guess the white stuff is damage to his mouth from bumping it against things he's trying to eat.
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It is true that diets that consist mainly of krill do lead to nutritional deficiencies and lock jaw but Vitamin B is not the cause.

The white circle/area is bacterial infection. Is it spreading ? Most likely this is vibrio - a gram negative bacteria. Needs to be treated immediately with kanamycin, nitrofurazone or maracyn-2. These infections "pop up" fast and spread rapidly. They are often hard to treat. Make sure to enrich the diet with vitamins and beta glucan to boost the immune system.
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Post by crazedpuffer »

He can close his mouth and I rarely feed him krill. He mostly has bloodworms, mysis, clams, and brine on occasion. I just noticed it today so I don't know if its spreading or not but I'll try some of the stuff PufferQueen. mentioned I'll keep you updated thanks!
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Post by Pufferpunk »

I highly suggest treating him w/those meds in QT. They will crash the biological system of your main tank.
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Yes, definitely in a separate tank. I prefer antibiotic baths over prolonged immersion (adding the antibiotic to the hospital tank).
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Kelly, can you describe the bath? How much med, for how long?
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Usually you add the amount you would to 10 gallons to just 1 gallon container/bucket. Aerate well and bath fish for 1 hour. Return to hospital tank.

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Post by Pufferpunk »

We really need articles on this kind of stuff. Kelly, if you've got something, can we add it to our Library? We're putting together a hospital section for it noe.
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Post by Nick »

I'm really glad it's not lockjaw, if you follow the advice about antibiotic baths and have a tough fish I'm sure it will clear up.
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Post by crazedpuffer »

Yeah I'm glad it's not lockjaw. I never knew they could get something like that either. I hope it clears up I'll keep you posted.... Nick you go on the dp forum too right?
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Yes, I have DP's and post regularly on the the DP forum, as well as the tropical resources puffer forum. I love me my pufferfish :)
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Yeah I thought so lol. I post as crazedpuffer on the dp forum!
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Cool :) I use Nick just about everywhere. Easy, short, and memorable.
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Here are some doses:

Nitrofurazone (gram negative antibiotic)
Dose: Bath – 100mg/l for 30 – 60 minutes

Kanamycin (antibiotic)
Dose: Oral- 50 mg/kg of body weight per day
Prolonged immersion: 50-100 mg/liter (190-380 mg/gallon) every 3 days for
3 treatments.
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