Its official early stage ich.

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Its official early stage ich.

Post by perek »

Well I hate to say it but in all my years of keeping fish i believe I have my very first ICH infection on my little GSP Oscar. :(

I notices numerous very tiny white spots (almost look like pores) on his body, but not on any of the fins.

Whats some good Ich cures?
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Post by Bred »

The best cure is stickied at the top of this forum - here: http://www.thepufferforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=9

The 30 second version:
Raise temperature to 86-89F, increase aeration, and add 1tbsp of salt for ever 5 gallons (assuming your tank is FW). Hold the temperature and salinty at these levels for 12-15 days. Do 50% water changes every other day, adding back the same amount of salt you took out.

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Post by perek »

yea but...I dont have an airstone :(

21 days is kinda rough!
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21 is overkill IMO. Continue for 10 days after the last visible signs of infestation - IF ONLY IF the temperature is above 86F. Use a trustworthy thermometer.

You can lower the water level in your tank an inch or two if you don't have an airstone. This should aerate sufficiently.
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Post by perek »

What if I already have 15 teaspoons on salt(brackish) in the tank (25g) and water temp is 81 F

Gah lowering the level will make alot of noise and I wont be able to go to sleep :(
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perek wrote:What if I already have 15 teaspoons on salt in the tank (25g) and water temp is 81 F
If you're sure that's how much salt you have in your tank, then all you have to do now is raise that temperature.
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Bred wrote:
perek wrote:What if I already have 15 teaspoons on salt in the tank (25g) and water temp is 81 F
If you're sure that's how much salt you have in your tank, then all you have to do now is raise that temperature.
what about my poor little chinese algea eater, will i cook him :(

I cant put him in the other tank because Turgidus will surely eat him :(
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Post by Pufferpunk »

Look very closely at your GSP. Tt could just be it's tiny spines & not ich at all. You'll need to gat that algae eater out of there, it won't appreciate BW. The amount of salt (marine, I hope) you have in there, will barely register on a hydrometer. I use 1/2 cup of salt to raise my SG .005.
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Post by RTR »

Vo;ume measures of marine mix are wasted effort except for the roughest approximation. You need to use either a hydrometer or a refractometer. You need to be able to able to accurately measure the density of brackish water.
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Post by Pamela »

If he's already in brackish, I find it hard to bellieve he's got ich. are the dots in random clusters or do they look regularly spaced?
If the latter, they're his little spikes.
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Post by perek »

Pamela wrote:If he's already in brackish, I find it hard to bellieve he's got ich. are the dots in random clusters or do they look regularly spaced?
If the latter, they're his little spikes.
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yea they do look pretty normally spaced. Kinda like a chicken pox pattern. Hence why i thought they looked like pores on skin.
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Post by perek »

Wow so GSPs have tiny spines? :shock:
I guess Ill turn the heater down ASAP
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Post by Pamela »

They do indeed have spikes, yes. They come out more if your fish puffs up, although don't attempt that as a diagnostic test. With him being in brackish, we can probably assume it's not ich.
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Post by perek »

Pamela wrote:They do indeed have spikes, yes. They come out more if your fish puffs up, although don't attempt that as a diagnostic test. With him being in brackish, we can probably assume it's not ich.
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Wow thanks!

I guess I can still say I've never had a problem with Ich with any of my fish. :D
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Post by Bred »

You can make out some of the spines in these pics here: http://www.thepufferforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=356

If the white dots are raised above the surface of the skin, you have a problem. If they are recessed, then they are likely pores.
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