Flutter's not doing so good...

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Oh boy, what a relief! Chewal & I were really worried when you didn't call him. Thought it was a lost cause, as bad as the fungus was...
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

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Good to hear he's improving.
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Pufferpunk wrote:Oh boy, what a relief! Chewal & I were really worried when you didn't call him. Thought it was a lost cause, as bad as the fungus was...
I tried calling Chewal with the phone number he gave me, and the guy I talked to said he was Chewal, but after I started describing Flutter a bit more the guy hung up on me...?

I'll IM Chewal my number, but I think I've got the situation under control. I am starting the second dose of Amoxicilin today.
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That doesn't sound like him. I'll ask him about the hangup today. I'm thrilled you save Flutter! Great job!
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Pufferpunk wrote:That doesn't sound like him. I'll ask him about the hangup today. I'm thrilled you save Flutter! Great job!
Thanks, but he is not out of the woods yet. He still has a few pustule things left, and a few of them have turned into white patches. I'll see how he is after the second dose of Amoxicilin, but I am just thrilled that he is eating again, even if its just a little bit.

He may still have an internal infection from the Tape worm dislodging from his stomach. Does anyone know if Amoxicilin would treat that?
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Ok, I got to talk to Chewal a few minutes ago, and it sounds like Flutter is on the road to recovery.

The pustules are a secondary infection from the tapeworm, which wil be treated by the Amoxicillin.

He isnt eating much because his it hurts for him to swallow, which will also be treated by that.

I am guessing thats also the reason he is breathing hard.

He is back in QT being treated with a second dose of Amoxicillin, like the bottle says. It says to wait 3 days im-between the second treatment, I accidentally waited four :oops: .


Chewal also said to treat with a half dose of neomyacin after the Amoxicillin was done.

It sounds like Flutter is gonna pull through this! :D
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Glad to hear he's on the road to recovery John. :)
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YAY! Fantastic news John! :D :happydance:
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I'm glad you finally got to speak to him. I told you he wouldn't hang up on ya--must have been a wrong number.
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What would possess a person on the end of a wrong number to go along with it for so long, and then just hang up on him? That's just bizarre.

Hang in there TFM. You've got what it takes to get flutter back to good health.
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Maybe it was a cell phone and he lost connection?
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I asked the same thing. He said he never spoke to John at all.
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Pufferpunk wrote:I asked the same thing. He said he never spoke to John at all.
It was kinda weird...The first time I called the number, instead of a ringing tone, I got rap music playing???? the next time I called the number, I got a guy who actually sounded a lot like a rapper....the whole thing was kinda bizzare lol

I am glad we finally got to talk.
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LOL, he's definately not a rapper!
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Post by Rusty »

LOL john sounds like you dialed a wrong number, a buddy of mines, cell phone has music instead of a wringing tone.

But mainly I am very glad to hear he is pulling through !!!!!! :wink: :wink: :wink:
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