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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.

1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.

2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.

3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)

4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.

5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.

We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.

While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.

Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Post by puff_puff_pass »

i know.. but i dont give up easy.. specially on a living creature that depends on me for his world.. and in this case i am the keeper of there world.. i just took some pictures.. can i email them to you while i figure out this photo bucket crap....
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HEY I DID IT!!!!! so what do you think???? what the hell is wrong with him......
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Post by Adam_J »

oSrry if I missed it but I would like to ask these questions, even if for a seccond time:

1.) Water Parameters?

2.) Filtration/Eqipment?

3.) How old is the tank?

4.) Diet?

5.)Tank Mates?

6.) Added any Meds?

7.) Last Water Change?

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Post by puff_puff_pass »

its all in there but ill be happy to say it a hundred times to help these guys..

40 gal. tank mate is down to a turbo snail SG 1.015 nitrate nitrite both 0 ph 7.8 alk 225 filter is a aqua clear? maybe forget the brand with out going to the basement to get the box over the side hanging type media is 3 weeks old meds are maracyn? its all in the beging post water changes are 25% percent weekly or more if needed just did one last night. meds administreed for about 5 or 6 days now.. and a sick figure 8 i bought wiped out the tank.. there going to a 125 thats up and running but i am cycling it currently.. again theres a lot of info in the beging of the post.. its 1:32 am over here ive been up since 6 this morning.. and i have been up till 3 or 4 every night this week trying to help these guys so im slightly out of it.. there going black then normal several times a day and scratching them selves off rocks.. and breathing really heavy... i feel so bad as does my wife....
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Post by Adam_J »

Heavy breadthing is usually indicative of water quallity, particularly ORP and nutrient levels. I find it very suprising that a tank with a pair of puffers has no readable nitrate levels. Also what is your aeration like? How much surface agitation do you have?

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Post by puff_puff_pass »

agitation is good.. due to the filter and clip on 6inch fan.... and i agree.. but there still tiny and i do very regular water changes....... i have a substraight bottom and the snail does a little i guess. i cant belive i have had a turbo snail in there for months i was sure he would have died... he was in a friends tank that got broken by a loose baseball and all inhabitants died... but the snail so we aclimated him and tossed him in and hes fine.. go figure but my levels are all good...i was maybe thinking maybe its too hot and there panting.. do fish pant? haha good im grabing at straws with that one...
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The higher temperature can cause fish tob reathe heavily but not directly, the higher the temperature goes, the lower the dissolved oxygen content in the water. I see this problem quite commonly with temperate marines being placed into tropical marine bio-topes all to often.
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Post by puff_puff_pass »

so even with a SG of 1.015 it can just be too hot for them.... at 80 to 82 and that can be casueing this?
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While 80 to 82 degrees is on the higher end of acceptable temperatures for aquatic tropical animals, it is acceptable if stable. Does it ever waiver above 82 degrees to say 84 on a regular basis? Even for a few hours or so?
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Post by Pufferpunk »

How long did you take to raise the SG from FW to what it is now? You say the tank was up & running for 4 months, then how come no nitrAtes? Did you clean out the tank, before adding the puffs?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

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Post by puff_puff_pass »

i clean the tank constantly im am very anal about that.... it took a good month to rais the SG to that.... i left the fans on today while i was at work.. temp is 77 fish seem to be back to normal.. but then again they always were up and down... so lets cross our fingers... could it really have been too hot... the meds said to raise it to 82 but i was keeping it around 80 to 81 should i leave it at 77 there color is normal and so is there breathing although there poop is really white and stringy... other than that there doing good.....

thanks again everyone!!
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Post by Adam_J »

Medication if sed in access or in large displayed also reduce the ORP, so this in conjunction witht he higher temp may have been the problem. Of course that begs the question, why were you using the meds to begin with?
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