Flutter's not doing so good...
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Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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he was breathing hard before that yes, but he stopped, and now that the heat is up he is doing that again.
yeah, I know that is awfully hot, and I am only raising it that high because I was told to.
I got a message back from the fish doctor, and he thinks that it is either a bacterial infection, or an infection from spore forming protozoa. he says treat with an anti-biotic...
the only QT tank I have is cycled at a SG of 1.008, and currently housing a GSP.
I would have to drip aclimate the GSP over to my SW tank, hope he doesnt kill the firefish, clean out the QT really well, and cram as much filter media as I culd into the filter and pray it is enough to handle Flutter....
any advice?
yeah, I know that is awfully hot, and I am only raising it that high because I was told to.
I got a message back from the fish doctor, and he thinks that it is either a bacterial infection, or an infection from spore forming protozoa. he says treat with an anti-biotic...
the only QT tank I have is cycled at a SG of 1.008, and currently housing a GSP.
I would have to drip aclimate the GSP over to my SW tank, hope he doesnt kill the firefish, clean out the QT really well, and cram as much filter media as I culd into the filter and pray it is enough to handle Flutter....
any advice?
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Was that from the Shedd?I got a message back from the fish doctor
I'd go w/one treatment at a time & do the full course, before moving on to something else. I also wouldn't push the juvie GSP into SW too soon--defiantly not w/a firefish!
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unless the doctor said otherwise, I would also say finish this treatment, as you dont want to end up with super IPS down the line. another thing is that , a qt can be many things and many times doesnt have filtration, especially in your case in which you are going to be treating with antibiotic which will kill off the bacterial colonies. in such a situation daily water changes are best.
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no, it wasnt from shedd. im not sure who exactly it was, but it was the guy who rusty gave me the adress for.
yeah, your right, I should finish this treatment first.
heh, your right, i'm not sure what I was thinking, but if I am treating with antibiotics I wouldnt need a cycled tank. just BIG daily WCs.
I sure hope the treament i'm using works....
yeah, your right, I should finish this treatment first.
heh, your right, i'm not sure what I was thinking, but if I am treating with antibiotics I wouldnt need a cycled tank. just BIG daily WCs.
I sure hope the treament i'm using works....
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like i said "out of sight out of mind" lol
the person you spoke with is Dr peter Burgess.
I'll read what it says about him in the back of a book of his.
Dr Peter Burgess BSc, MSc, Mphil,PhD
is a qualified fish health scientist with 25 years experience as an aquarist. He is a visiting lecturer in aquarium sciences at Plymouth University and Brooksby College in england.Peter is an international consultant to the aquarium fish industry, specialising in fish health and aquarium managment, and he runs fish husbandry courses for aquarists, scientists,and veterinarians, both in the U.K and abroad. He has written over 80 articles and scientific papers on fish and is editor of the international journal, "Aquarium Sciences and Conservation.
thats form a book he wrote in 1998, so his experience has grown from then.
the person you spoke with is Dr peter Burgess.
I'll read what it says about him in the back of a book of his.
Dr Peter Burgess BSc, MSc, Mphil,PhD
is a qualified fish health scientist with 25 years experience as an aquarist. He is a visiting lecturer in aquarium sciences at Plymouth University and Brooksby College in england.Peter is an international consultant to the aquarium fish industry, specialising in fish health and aquarium managment, and he runs fish husbandry courses for aquarists, scientists,and veterinarians, both in the U.K and abroad. He has written over 80 articles and scientific papers on fish and is editor of the international journal, "Aquarium Sciences and Conservation.
thats form a book he wrote in 1998, so his experience has grown from then.
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its not looking good.....
he is still breathing a little hard, and there is still one little "pimple" like thing. it actually looks like it might be sharp at the end, really pointy.
anyway, I finally got the vita-chem, but now he wont eat
he swims up to it all excited about the food, takes a big mouthfull of it, but then spits it back out... 
I am really at a loss here....
I am seriously considering drip accliamting my GSP over to my SW tank so I can use my QT tank to medicate Flutter with antibiotics.
any and all advice apreciated...
he is still breathing a little hard, and there is still one little "pimple" like thing. it actually looks like it might be sharp at the end, really pointy.
anyway, I finally got the vita-chem, but now he wont eat
he swims up to it all excited about the food, takes a big mouthfull of it, but then spits it back out... I am really at a loss here....
I am seriously considering drip accliamting my GSP over to my SW tank so I can use my QT tank to medicate Flutter with antibiotics.
any and all advice apreciated...
Hi John
The poo that you see is more than likely a tapeworm The parasite med you used has prazi in it For now I would start to lower the temp and treat with a mild antibiotic The tapeworm when attached inside the fish does have small claws and after it is passed yous fishes stomach will be a little upset The reason for a mild antibiotic is so your fish wont develop a secondary internal infection
The poo that you see is more than likely a tapeworm The parasite med you used has prazi in it For now I would start to lower the temp and treat with a mild antibiotic The tapeworm when attached inside the fish does have small claws and after it is passed yous fishes stomach will be a little upset The reason for a mild antibiotic is so your fish wont develop a secondary internal infection