remember those sores Flutter (my A.modestus) had a while back? well, they keep coming back... They start out small, and gradually swell up, and then they "pop" and some kind of solid puss like stuff comes out the center.
melafix doesnt seem to help at all anymore. He has now started acting a little bit sluggish, and he is breathing harder. opens his mouth pretty wide every breath.
I fear it is some kind of internal infection....
water params are fairly good: nitrAte 20 ppm , nitrIte 0 ppm, hardness 120 ppm, alkalinity 80 ppm, and ph is 7.6.
what do you guys think? i'm not sure what to do. i'm about to do a big water change.z hopefully that will help him out a bit...
any comments and advice apreciated.
Flutter's not doing so good...
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1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
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We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Are they sores ? it sounds from your description, like a pustule. it could be anything from parasites , to a virus , or a bacterial infection or a combination. I would get intouch with a fish vet. Lisa mentioned that she had a vet inspect her puffe(RIP) maybe they know fish and you can get in contact with them?
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well, its more then one. it started as just one a few weeks ago, then it would swell up, "pop", squirt out the solid white stuff, and dissapear for a while. I originally thought that I had it taken care of, but apparently not...
currently there is only one, but the worst it was was 2 or 3 on each side of him. i'll take a pic and post it up soon.
I wonder if levamisole would take care of this if it is parasites?
wish me luck
currently there is only one, but the worst it was was 2 or 3 on each side of him. i'll take a pic and post it up soon.
I wonder if levamisole would take care of this if it is parasites?
wish me luck
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I wasnt suggesting that. I dont have Levamisol on hand right now.Rusty wrote:I would seriously urge you not to just treat with whatever you have on hand.
By Lisa's advice, I picked up a bottle of prime. She thinks it may be severe skin irritation from heavy metals, or pesticides.
Thanks to all that have helped.
any other ideas on what this may be?
(oh, I seriously doubt there are any fish vets in my area. all the vets that I know of, would probably laugh if I told them I wanted them to check out my pufferfish. i'll look though.)
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sorry when you said wish me luck it sounded like someone who is about to do somthing on a whim. I should have thought better of you sorry
good one lisa that hadnt even crossed my mind, but what would be the cause of the pus like stuff?
feel better flutter
good one lisa that hadnt even crossed my mind, but what would be the cause of the pus like stuff?
feel better flutter
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oh, sorry, that probably did sound kinda weird lol. I just meant that I hope flutter makes it ok. no worriesRusty wrote:sorry when you said wish me luck it sounded like someone who is about to do somthing on a whim. I should have thought better of you sorry
I had kindof a strange theory: I dont realy know what he was fed as a staple diet before I got him, and I think its possible it was fish. maybe, he has so much oil in his system, that its coming out through these pustule/sores. the thing that leads me to beleive this is that, you know the "pore" like things on a modestus' sides? these are the things that are swelling up. kinda like a human zit.
probably wrong, but just a theory. doesnt explain his rapid breathing and sluggishness though.
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checkout the original post about this, which has a picture of his first bump:
http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/vie ... php?t=3890
and here is a pic of the current largest bumo with "puss" coming out of it:
http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/vie ... php?t=3890
and here is a pic of the current largest bumo with "puss" coming out of it:
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ok, well, he is breathing less hard today. his mouth still moves a bit with every breath, but he is not opening wide like he did yesterday.
i'm not sure if he pooed out the peas, or coughed them up. becasue they are on the ground this morning.
I havent gotten a reply from the fish doctor guy yet.
PP suggested that the closest thing that this resembles is HITH, and she suggested treating with hex-a-mit. which I ordered last night. I ordered it from the hidden reef, although after I was done ordering, I saw on their main page something about their building burned down, so they wont be shipping for a while. i'm not sure if thats still in effect, so im going to call them today.
i'm about ready to get something from my LFS for HITH. although I think this may be paracidic.
i'm not sure if he pooed out the peas, or coughed them up. becasue they are on the ground this morning.
I havent gotten a reply from the fish doctor guy yet.
PP suggested that the closest thing that this resembles is HITH, and she suggested treating with hex-a-mit. which I ordered last night. I ordered it from the hidden reef, although after I was done ordering, I saw on their main page something about their building burned down, so they wont be shipping for a while. i'm not sure if thats still in effect, so im going to call them today.
i'm about ready to get something from my LFS for HITH. although I think this may be paracidic.