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Post by **Pufferpunk** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:53 am

I can't seem to open that link. You can go to: http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn for translation.

puffer_puff · Post by **puffer_puff** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:48 am

Pufferpunk wrote:I can't seem to open that link. You can go to: http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn for translation.

What do you mean when you say that you cannot seem to open the link? I am using Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7. It works just fine for me. Can you try to find a workaround? Alternatively, should I post the pictures here, so long as I cite their location?

I was looking for a native speaker to translate in order to avoid the choppiness and errors of Babelfish. However, I will attempt the Babelfish translation shortly.

Phaedrus · Post by **Phaedrus** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:00 am

Not a nigroviridis, and not a fluviatilis, but something else... it's possible... but it's also possible that it's just a distinct pattern variation of the nigroviridis. In either case, most likely brackish.

Post by **Pufferpunk** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:56 am

I do not use Firefox. I have IE.

lisalisa · Post by **lisalisa** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:07 am

The reason your puffer looks different from the pictures on that page of GSP's is because those are pics of juvenile gsp's. Yours was an adult. They do look much different when they are full (or close to full) grown.
I am convinced that your puffer was an adult GSP.

puffer_puff · Post by **puffer_puff** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:00 am

lisalisa wrote:The reason your puffer looks different from the pictures on that page of GSP's is because those are pics of juvenile gsp's. Yours was an adult.

Explain to me, then, if you can, why exactly the site would separate this one species into two threads when every single other thread (aside from the pinned and informational ones up at the top) is species-specific! It doesn't make sense. We should assume the site is being consistent in this basic way (grouping all posts and pictures about and of the same puffers together). Also consider the quality of the siteâ€”they, as a community, would have the knowledge not make this sort of mistake. Someone would have alerted them to the fact that the two threads ought to be consolidated.

lisalisa · Post by **lisalisa** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:33 am

puffer_puff wrote: Explain to me, then, if you can, why exactly the site would separate this one species into two threads when every single other thread (aside from the pinned and informational ones up at the top) is species-specific!

I didn't say the site split the species into 2 threads (although a very easy mistake to make). I said that your puffer is an adult GSP, not the puffer in the 2nd thread.

puffer_puff wrote:We should assume the site is being consistent in this basic way (grouping all posts and pictures about and of the same puffers together).

I don't think this assumption is necessary, especially considering the second group of pics has no species name. For all we know, the second thread could be pics of the same species.

puffer_puff wrote:Also consider the quality of the siteâ€”they, as a community, would have the knowledge not make this sort of mistake. Someone would have alerted them to the fact that the two threads ought to be consolidated.

I have no clue as to the quality of the site, as it is in another language. To say that someone would have alerted them is untrue, as there are many sites out there with incorrect information. I am not, however, referring to the accuracy or inaccuracy of the site. I have seen enough adult GSP's to know that your puffer was one.

Post by **Pufferpunk** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:56 am

OK, I was able to open that link but don't see the pics you are referring to. Many GSPs look different from each other, have more or less spots, large or small spots or even elongated spots. Did your GSP ever have the green on it's head? Again, not exactly a deciding factor if it was sick, as the green it apparent in healthy fish.

Here are my adults:

As you can see, they look very different from the more common juvie pics we usually see.

Phaedrus · Post by **Phaedrus** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:19 pm

Here is a direct link to the pictures he's referring to: http://coralbbs.twbbs.org/cgi-bin/topic ... =54&show=0

They do look like the pictures of his puffer, but i'm not convinced it's a different species altogether. More likely a pattern variation that may be distinct to a certain region.

Without a translation of the site it's hard to know what they are claiming it to be. But the fact that it's directly below the nigroviridis leads me to think it may be a question of variation rather than difference.

Post by **Pufferpunk** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:38 pm

I don't get any pics on that page. Actually looks like a forum. Is that in Japanese?

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:13 pm

I think its Japanese, not sure though, and yes its most probably a variant , this argument has been hashed over for years with so many other fish, just because its colored or patterned differently doesn't mean its a different species. I'M not even sure of the point of this entire conversation ?

Phaedrus · Post by **Phaedrus** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:04 pm

Here are the pictures for those who can't access them:

They certainly look like his puffer, but as I said before, not convinced they are a different species than nigroviridis.

Liz · Post by **Liz** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:33 pm

That one looks different from his puffer because it has rings, which I haven't seen in a nigroviridis. His doesn't have rings, it has more traditional spotting, I think.

Here are photos of an adult GSP that was on ebay a little bit ago.

Post by **Pufferpunk** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:40 am

Same fish, all GSPs IMO.

Liz · Post by **Liz** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:26 am

Yeah that was my point. That was being sold on eBay as an adult GSP, and it looks similar to his. Unless we're all being duped, I think it's more a case of we see juveniles much more than we see adults....

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