puffers have lost colour

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snoopythe1st
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puffers have lost colour

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my boyfriends puffers (figure of 8s) have lost color on their backs and eyes. One even floating around the top of the tank but OK when prod-ed.

Any reasons why ?

Things that have happened in the last 24 hours

-feed them on shelled cockles (new)
-water change with fish bucket (normal salt and DE-clarify)
-changed over from internal filter to external (external run in with internal for 2 weeks plus have put the old internal filter sponges into the new external filter)

Nitrate levels high therefore, he did a 10% water change, they all seem to be a lot happy-er now.
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Post by Boxermom »

Just an fyi, you only need to post it once. People will see it. :)
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Post by snoopythe1st »

have i killed my boyfriends fish ?
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Post by RTR »

If nitrate levels were high (what are the numbers?), a 10% chaage is 90% still high.

Are there any positive tests for amminia or nitrite?
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Post by snoopythe1st »

How long has the tank been set up?
a couple of months but have change to an external filter

Did you cycle the tank? How?
once a weeks ???????

How long have you had the fish?
about 4 months

How big is the tank?
jewel 70

Any tank mates?
yes, spitting fish added yesterday

Are you doing weekly water changes? How much?
once a week about 10%

What are the water parameters:
Ammonia? (should be 0 at all times)
0
NitrItes? (should be 0 at all times)
0.8
NitrAtes? (should be <20, or even better, <1
20+ after a 20% water change
pH?

How long have you been keeping fish?
8 years but puffers just over 4 months

If you're <20--how old are you?
+20

For BW fish:
What is the SG?
???????????????

How fast have you raised it?
??????????

Are you using marine salt?
yes
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Post by Pufferpunk »

From your answers, it sounds like you need a hydrometer (or better yet, a refractometer). Your SG (specific gravity, a measurement of salinity) should be around 1.005. Raised from 0, up it .002/weekly water change. We all do 50% weekly water changes here.

70L is about 18 gal. It is recommended to put 1 F8 into 15g & then add 10g more for every F8 added. Even 2 F8s in a 20g is probably ok, but in 70L (18g), you're really pushing it.

The "spitting fish" is probably a target fish, which grow quite large, 10 to 15 cms (4 to 6 inches). These fish are active and need to be kept in a large aquarium. I'd return it.

Bump your water changes up to 50% daily, until you get those nitrItes down to 0, then 50% weekly is good. Find out what the pH is too.
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