Puffer Puffing All The Time?
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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sara421
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Puffer Puffing All The Time?
Hello, I'm new to this forum. I've had my Stars & Stripes puffer for about 3 years. He's my absolute favorite fish! We just upgraded his tank a few weeks ago to one that is double the size of his old tank. He's loving all tge room and seems to eve b have gotten a little bigger since the move, but I think that every time we upgrade his tank. Since tge upgrade though I've noticed he's puffing up, all the time! We've never seen him puff so often. It used to be a rare thing to see him puff but now it's so often we've got dozens of videos and photos of him puffed. He's very active and healthy, no different than his normal self, besides the puffing. He seems to puff a lot in the mornings. I wouldn't say I'm worried because everything is fine and normal, just he's puffing more. It used to be a rare surprise to see him puff but now its 1-3 times a week. Why? Is he stressed? What could he be stressed about? Or is he just wanting attention? I read some powers will puff for attention. I love my big guy and I couldn't handle it if something where to happen to him.
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
Welcome to the forum, I moved this to the hospital section. Please answer all questions above in red
It's amazing how easy maintenance is. If done regularly and thoroughly
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sara421
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
1.) We have a friend that owns a fish store that checks or water and it was normal two days ago and has been for a while.
2.) Tank is 225 gallon with my puffer, who is huge and two very small fish maroon clown and pj cardinal and a engineer goby.
3.) His feeding is once a day, a variety of stuff clams & mussels, shrimp, squid, sometimes cray fish, those little silver fish, seaweed. We do a 10% water change once a week. We add salt, don't remember the brand.
4.) No changes in the last week.
5.) The new tank has been up almost a month, maybe 3 weeks. For cycling it we used all the water from the tank that had been set up, we used the same filter material in the sump, from the established tank. We pretty much used everything from the established tank, sponges, rock, sand. We also used this stuff called Prime in a white bottle with red label.
I think that's it.
2.) Tank is 225 gallon with my puffer, who is huge and two very small fish maroon clown and pj cardinal and a engineer goby.
3.) His feeding is once a day, a variety of stuff clams & mussels, shrimp, squid, sometimes cray fish, those little silver fish, seaweed. We do a 10% water change once a week. We add salt, don't remember the brand.
4.) No changes in the last week.
5.) The new tank has been up almost a month, maybe 3 weeks. For cycling it we used all the water from the tank that had been set up, we used the same filter material in the sump, from the established tank. We pretty much used everything from the established tank, sponges, rock, sand. We also used this stuff called Prime in a white bottle with red label.
I think that's it.
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
Is the tank in a new spot? Near doors that open and close? More action near the tank? Anything red colored?
Puffers consider 20ft out side of their tank to be theirs. If something is different, they can see it
Puffers consider 20ft out side of their tank to be theirs. If something is different, they can see it
- bertie 83
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Loaches, Clown loaches ,Eels, various shrimp, tangs,wrasses, damsels, chromis - Location (country): Brighton, England
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
Ask them for hard numbers, what shops consider normal can be very bad for fish long term. If you are using filters I would expect your nitrate levels to be high when you pair that with 10% weekly water changes .
It's amazing how easy maintenance is. If done regularly and thoroughly
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sara421
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
Interesting, but no. The tank is in the same spot in our bed room, but the tank now is maybe 2ft longer. We do have a few bright red things in our room, but nothing that is new. We have a red pillow and a red can, but we've always had them, I would think he's seen them a lot by now they're in no way new. Also he is near a door way, but he's always been next to it. His puffing does not seem to correlate with when someone walks through the door way, it's more like when we're sitting in the room not doing anything or when I've just woke up and got out of bed. Not fresh out of bed though, I get out of bed and sit next to his tank every morning and check my phone and email and maybe a half hour to an hour later he puffs, while I'm sitting there. This is all the same as it has always been though. Definitely nothing new in the room or our routine, but his bigger tank.
He's funny though and when ever my husband goes through the doorway he thinks it's feeding time and comes to the top corner of his tank all happy and excited
He's funny though and when ever my husband goes through the doorway he thinks it's feeding time and comes to the top corner of his tank all happy and excited
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sara421
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
I would really doubt that the water was bad, our friend that owns the store has specialized in saltwater fish for over 30 years. I doubt if our water was bad he'd say it was good. He's warned us before when nitrates were close to high or when they were high. I trust him 100% that if he says it's normal it's not approaching high.
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
Puffers are very sensitive and cannot endure nitrate levels that other fish do. 20ppm is max for puffer tanks, I just think in a tank using mechanical filtration combined with a large puffer and 10% weekly water changes nitrates would naturally be high. Are there any air fresheners in the room?
It's amazing how easy maintenance is. If done regularly and thoroughly
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
Could be a territorial thing. "Hey, you other fishes! See this new tank we are in? It mine. Anybody wants to start some stuff, just wanna let you know how big I get. Yeah, that's what I thought..You guys go hide under some rocks or something. I'm gonna patrol this area cause it's mine...You guys hear me! Mine!"
He's probably gotten settled and has confirmed he is top dog.
He's probably gotten settled and has confirmed he is top dog.
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sara421
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
I'm not still not fully sure the difference between bio and mechanical filter but I always thought ours was a bio. I just looked up our sumps and it says they're bio-filters, they've got huge protein skimmers in them too.
There's no air fresheners, we sprayed the outside of the house in the beginning of the summer with a bug spray to keep out silver fish, that was never inside the house though.
There's no air fresheners, we sprayed the outside of the house in the beginning of the summer with a bug spray to keep out silver fish, that was never inside the house though.
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
Anything that collects detritus is mechanical. Filtration for SW tanks = live rock & protein skimmer--period.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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sara421
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
purplecandle wrote:Could be a territorial thing. "Hey, you other fishes! See this new tank we are in? It mine. Anybody wants to start some stuff, just wanna let you know how big I get. Yeah, that's what I thought..You guys go hide under some rocks or something. I'm gonna patrol this area cause it's mine...You guys. Hear me! Mine!"
He's probably gotten settled and has confirmed he is top dog.
LOL!!! Thats something I could imagine him saying if he could talk
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sara421
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
My fish guy confirmed that we have a bio filter system.
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
If there is any filter material at all in your system, it will collect nitrate in it & needs to be removed or rinsed every few days.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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DPs
suvattii
burrfish
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Re: Puffer Puffing All The Time?
If there is any filter material at all in your system, it will collect nitrate in it & needs to be removed or rinsed every few days.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"