What is going on?
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Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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1Cheesehead
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What is going on?
So last night just like any night I fed my dp his bloodworms that I soaked for about 3 hours in metro+ since I think he has parasites. I saw him eat them all so I went onto the next tank to feed some of the bigger fish. Then 5 min later I went to go check on the dp again, and I noticed him like almost spasming with his tail and his stomach was quickly going from full to sunken, to full to sunken. Then after that was over he pooped right away, and then I noticed his stomach was almost lob sided, one side full and one side sunken. Then when I woke up this morning I went to check on him. His stomach was like sunken in the front and rounder in the back, like he swallowed a bb and it stuck in the back of his stomach. Any ideas? did he maybe eat to fast?
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RTR
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Re: What is going on?
Unlike most fish, puffers lack ribs. That makes it very easy to see individual meals as the transit through the gut. It takes some getting used to, but is normal for these fish.
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puffykid
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Re: What is going on?
How long have you been treating for? I've tried metro myself and don't get nearly as good results as when I use those jungle fizzy tabs that you can pick up from walmarts with a fish section. Otherwise I can probably mail you some if you want and don't mind paying me back for shipping (which wont be much) you're really close by to me.
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1Cheesehead
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Re: What is going on?
I was just worried as I never saw my GSP do it. I have treated for about 3 weeks, I am pretty sure the dp is good, its just my rams in another tank that still have problems. I also have prazipro, should I use that?
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puffykid
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Re: What is going on?
I've been wondering if you can use two separate medications mixed together to help treat fish better. From what I can tell using prazipro and the metro together in a fw tank is fine and can help cure fish faster.
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Pufferpunk
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Re: What is going on?
Yes
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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puffykid
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Re: What is going on?
So ya use both of them together and it should help with the ip faster.
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Pufferpunk
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Re: What is going on?
No, not faster but will cover different parasites.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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1Cheesehead
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Re: What is going on?
So I should soak the bloodworms in both? I have heard that PraziPro when given orally has killed some fish.
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Pufferpunk
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Re: What is going on?
The only way to treat internal parasites, is internally. If you are concerned, use the med mentioned above. We all have had good success with it.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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puffykid
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Re: What is going on?
Those were only with salt water fish cause those also drink the tank water so they got over medicated and died. Fresh water fish don't drink so you don't have to worry about over medication as long as you do the correct dosage.
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1Cheesehead
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Re: What is going on?
Which one of the meds listed above?
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Re: What is going on?
Never tried Metro. Tried Prazi, Jungle tabs, and Jungle crystal IP Guard...For me the PraziPro is most palatable and accepted. And also for me the one DP and 3 F8s have all survived from the same product. I had 2 DPs and an F8 die using Jungle products...But I will say that these fish definitely had IPs.
There are many knowledgeable fish keepers on this forum willing to help and give great advice...The advice is free; What you choose to do with it gives it value.
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Pufferpunk
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Re: What is going on?
I was referring to the Jungle Parasite Clear.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"