Thanks for the help over the last couple of days...all gone a bit pear shaped now!
180l tank, 2 SAP's, 5 neons, gravel bottom, heavily planted.
Water parameters 0 nitrate, ph 6.5, temp 75F/ 26C. Fish fed frozen bloodworm, algae wafers, frozen peas, and frozen prawns.
Since yesterday, I've been soaking the worms in garlic before feeding them.
I posted when I found a weird, white, stringy thing in the water, wondered if it was IP's.
LFS gave me a treatment containing malachite green. Advised on here to do a large water change, done yesterday.
Puffers agitated, lots of glass surfing, rapid swimming and small jumps out of the water. This is followed by sitting on the gravel, and rapid breathing and clamped fins. One of the fish is having problems staying level, keeps doing a strange head-standing posture.
There are some small, white dots on their bodies, which are flat. I presumed they were ich and that the malachite had damaged their skin - but the dots seem to come and go in that they are there when the fish is agitated and fade when it's lying on the gravel. But, the malachite was only done two days ago, and the big water change was yesterday.
I put the fish with swim problems into a floating hatchery, and left the lights off.
So, here's the questions:
1. ?IP - just treat with garlic? I'm in the UK and can't find the jungle stuff, and it's a holiday weekend now.
2. ? ich - epsom salts or aquarium salt?
3. balance problem - assume that's because of the malachite?
4. Should I do water changes with fish that are a bit off balance?
Thanks in advance Again.
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SAP disaster?
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1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Hello,
For ich please use aquarium salt. To cure ich you would also need to raise water temperature ( I think 85F) + do W/C every other day.
For ich please use aquarium salt. To cure ich you would also need to raise water temperature ( I think 85F) + do W/C every other day.
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What was your WC schedule before this? Sounds like the parameters have changed a lot & they are uncomfortable with it. Use Melafix, to heal their skin.
What was your WC schedule before this? Sounds like the parameters have changed a lot & they are uncomfortable with it. Use Melafix, to heal their skin.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: SAP disaster?
That could be it!
I was only doing 30% water changes, changed two weeks ago to 50%, and did a good 80% yesterday.
Ididn't rinse out the filter or hoover the gravel, thought I'd better leave that be fr the bacteria.
They are actually looking better now. The white spots have gone, and the surfing is less, and the head standing has stopped.
So, will go and read the tank cycling article again...any further advice is very welcome!
x
I was only doing 30% water changes, changed two weeks ago to 50%, and did a good 80% yesterday.
Ididn't rinse out the filter or hoover the gravel, thought I'd better leave that be fr the bacteria.
They are actually looking better now. The white spots have gone, and the surfing is less, and the head standing has stopped.
So, will go and read the tank cycling article again...any further advice is very welcome!
x
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Re: SAP disaster?
You can always gravel vac, there will be no negative effects from this. As long as you rinse out your filter in tank water this is also fine, never rinse with tap water.
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Re: SAP disaster?
When I had SAPs I used Waterlife STERAZIN, and soaked there food (snails) in that.
Ip's should be treated internally I remember someone once saying. It's a 10 day course, and worked a treat.
The Ich treatment, you can just use table salt. No definition of what Aquarium salt is.
Mike
Ip's should be treated internally I remember someone once saying. It's a 10 day course, and worked a treat.
The Ich treatment, you can just use table salt. No definition of what Aquarium salt is.
Mike