Beetroot is in trouble :(

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Beetroot is in trouble :(

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PERIMETERS
pH: 6.8
Temp: 28 deg
Ammonia: 0
Nitrites: 0
Nitrates: 4
Tank Size: 120 x 60 x 60 (cm)
Feeding: 2-3 times weekly primarily with Market Prawns. Occasionally with Fresh water crays or Apple Snails.
Changes: Nil
Tank Age: 3 years

SYMPTOMS
- Scratch injuries on "forehead" (ie, between eyes)
- Swelling around Beetroot's right side of the "snout"
- Lower jaw not moving much
- Breathing pace is normal
- Loss of appetite

IMMEDIATE ACTION
- 30% water change last night
- another 30% water change today
- no medical treatment administered

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What do you guys think? :(
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Re: Beetroot is in trouble :(

Post by Dadof4 »

What do you have in there for decor? Can you describe the scratch? Puffers usually don't end up with deep scratches because their skin is so thick, open areas like that are usually infection related or disease related. Can you post Pics ASAP? In the mean time I'd add Melafix to the tank and an air stone as Melafix can decrease dissolved oxygen.
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Photo posted!!
Taken this morning...

Decor in the tank are mostly pieces of driftwood that has been in there for many years with him.
There is a corner where its mostly large smooth rocks instead of gravel.
Other inhabitants are 2 cherry barbs
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Is it getting bigger?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

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Hi Pufferpunk,
It refers to Beetroot or to the nasty looking patch?
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The patch.
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Nope... currently still as in the picture
breathing getting labored
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But is that the original mark or is it growing, line an infection? What is in your tank that could have caused such an abrasion? Their skin is like thick leather, with tiny needles all over it.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

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My guess is that it charged real hard against the driftwood... there is nothing else in there except that for decor...
The patch started off as a scratch and now its like this.
Noticed that the forehead area was swollen before this nasty patch turned up.

Seems like a very bad bump into the wood or even the glass surfaces.
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How big is his tank? Driftwood is too soft to cause this.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

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The tank is 4ft x 2ft x 2ft
120 gallons I think

The patch seems to have spread.
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Yeah, from the metric measurements it's 114 gallons.
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Only thing I can think of is the heater? How is it looking since you added the Melafix? Better or worse?
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it couldn't be Hexamita?

Have you treated for parasites in the past?
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Doesn't look like Hole in the Head to me.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

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