hi guys
my puffer's behavior has changed over the last month seems to be chasing his reflection constantly, ignoring food, excluding blood when encouraged to stop chasing, not much has changed in the tank, used to eat pond snails from my fingers now is frightened of anyone near the tank. As far as i know he is the only one to survive an import of 50 into New Zealand about a year ago. i house him in a 125L planted tank with a couple corries, apistos and small school of rasboras. water is stable and clean. please help, any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
thank you.
New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
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1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
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I'll move this to the Hospital forum, so you can answer ALL the questions above, in red.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
thanks pufferpunk. didn't know where i should put it.
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
I'm going to bed. IDK what time it is over there, but it's 2am here in Chicago. Hopefully we can get this straightened out in the morning.
How do his teeth look?
How do his teeth look?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
its 9pm, on your tomorrow. teeth are looking good feed him pond snails 4-5 times a week, normaly eats them greedily.
1) pH - 6.8, Ammonia - 0ppm, Nitrite - 0ppm, Nitrates 1ppm.
2) Tank size - 125L, brand is juwel rio 125
inhabitants - long fin bristlenose, 2 sterbia corries, 4 agassizi apistos, 2 macmasteri apistos, a steel blue apistpo, and 10 emerald eyes.
3) Feeding - pond snails, bloodworm, new life spectrum pellets every now and then.
water change - one 8th water change every week. plants seem to take care of the rest of the waste.
list of all products - stress coat (water conditioner), seachem iron supplement for plants.
4) What changes in last week - changed plants around because it was a bit overgrown.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? - set up for about 10 months or more did heavy cycling with blue rainbows, 10 cherry barbs, 2 bristlenose, and a few other. added fast cycle.
hes been acting abnormally for the last month, before that he was happy as.
1) pH - 6.8, Ammonia - 0ppm, Nitrite - 0ppm, Nitrates 1ppm.
2) Tank size - 125L, brand is juwel rio 125
inhabitants - long fin bristlenose, 2 sterbia corries, 4 agassizi apistos, 2 macmasteri apistos, a steel blue apistpo, and 10 emerald eyes.
3) Feeding - pond snails, bloodworm, new life spectrum pellets every now and then.
water change - one 8th water change every week. plants seem to take care of the rest of the waste.
list of all products - stress coat (water conditioner), seachem iron supplement for plants.
4) What changes in last week - changed plants around because it was a bit overgrown.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? - set up for about 10 months or more did heavy cycling with blue rainbows, 10 cherry barbs, 2 bristlenose, and a few other. added fast cycle.
hes been acting abnormally for the last month, before that he was happy as.
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
You numbers look fine, but South American Puffers are schooling fish, he's probably bored/lonely.
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
SAPs are absolutely notorious for glass surfing.
Check your flow and decoration placement. If possible can you provide a full tank shot it would be appreciated.
With mine the flow was from one side of the tank to the other (length wise).
Some traits that mine displayed:
Glass surfed when I entered the room.
"Glass surfed" / panicked when I turned on the light and the room was dark.
Glass surfed when the television was on
Glass surfed basically when they "knew" something was happening in the general area...
They hid when I approached with a camera...(buggers).
What kind of filter are you using? Re-positioning it may do the trick.
Check your flow and decoration placement. If possible can you provide a full tank shot it would be appreciated.
With mine the flow was from one side of the tank to the other (length wise).
Some traits that mine displayed:
Glass surfed when I entered the room.
"Glass surfed" / panicked when I turned on the light and the room was dark.
Glass surfed when the television was on
Glass surfed basically when they "knew" something was happening in the general area...
They hid when I approached with a camera...(buggers).
What kind of filter are you using? Re-positioning it may do the trick.
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
saps really appreciate a complex environment to explore , as once bored of thier surroundings they will surf the glass relentlessly , they do better with 2 or more ....
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
Actually, that's 3-5.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
thanks for the suggestions guys i will check the water flow, i have a mini powerhead i can install to up the turbulence. i wish i could get some more but the importers in NZ aren't gonna deal with them anymore, ill post a tank shot soon.
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
Where'd the other 49 go?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
i think he'd need a bigger tank for 3-5 , actually that tanks too small for even one sap IMO ....haha get a bigger tank and a few more saps if you can find 'em !
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
unfortunately only 20 made it through quarantine and the other 19 died at my LSF. so far as i know he's the only one in the country and with there being less than 10 importers in NZ no one wants to risk it. sorry for the delay but heres a couple pics
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
Hey, thats a nice planted setup! But imo u need a longer tank for saps. They are like runaway trains.. Cant stop for a moment.. They dun stop to investigate things..like DPs does.
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Re: New Zealands only Amazon Puffer in trouble.
Thanks I'm quite proud of the set up,should get even better soon I've got gloss and hairgrass that are just starting to fill in. I have got a 850L tank but that's full of monsters, and my girlfriend has an 800L community, but if im moving him in with her I'll shut this one down.
Still can't findy power head, I'll install it as soon as I can, I e noticed be isn't surfing as much when the lights are off, or at least comes to the front.
Still can't findy power head, I'll install it as soon as I can, I e noticed be isn't surfing as much when the lights are off, or at least comes to the front.