1. PH: 8, Ammonia: 0ppm, Nitrites: 0ppm, Nitrates: ~5 ppm
2. 60 gallons, 2 left clawed hermits, two turbos, 2 emerald crabs, 4 nerites, 1 green spotted puffer
3. Just fed her a few blood worms, only got her on Wed. afternoon. 1.022 SG SW tank, 91 lbs of LR with RO water, nothing else added
4. Only changes was adding Yoshi to the tank...haven't been home since Wednesday afternoon. Kept the lights off because we weren't going to be home and I didn't want to mess with the lights while we were gone, wasn't' sure if that was ok for tank inhabitants.
5. 4 weeks since set up, all LR was put in with mixed RO water and was inhabitant less for 2 weeks, then I got the 2 hermits, e crabs, one week after that brought home snails, and then week after that I brought Yoshi home.
So I brought Yoshi home on Wednesday. Her color looked ok, but she was a little grey. I attributed that to the stress she went thru coming home, because when I put her in her tank, she lightened up. Unfortunately, I had to leave about 20 minutes after we put her in, so I turned off the lights, left only blue LEDs on, closed up the house and left. We got home just a few minutes ago, and when I turned on the lights, she was really grey, not on her belly, but her sides and tail...the only vibrant green you could see was on top of her head. She has now lightened up a bit, but she still is grey to me. I fed her some bloodworms, since every one else in the tank is alive, and she ate them just fine. She is swimming, pacing, but still darker than normal. We do not have a protein skimmer as of yet, it's on its way. I have pictures uploading as we speak, so as soon as we are done, I will link them to you. Any thoughts or ideas or comments are greatly appreciated, as I don't want her to be unhappy, and if she is, I need to fix it asap. Thank you
Is Yoshi sick?
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1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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goldielocke76
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Is Yoshi sick?
5.5g: Pond snails
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
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bertie 83
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Loaches, Clown loaches ,Eels, various shrimp, tangs,wrasses, damsels, chromis - Location (country): Brighton, England
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Re: Is Yoshi sick?
It could be stress. Hopefully nothing more. It's early days so try not to panic too much
It's amazing how easy maintenance is. If done regularly and thoroughly
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goldielocke76
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Re: Is Yoshi sick?
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5.5g: Pond snails
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
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goldielocke76
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Re: Is Yoshi sick?
bertie 83 wrote:It could be stress. Hopefully nothing more. It's early days so try not to panic too much
Thanks, I am trying. LoL, just been waiting a long time for her, and I am a worrier. I am trying, it was just a shocker to come home and see her almost completely grey. She is loving the swimming room though. I think I will feel better once I get a protein skimmer on there.
5.5g: Pond snails
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
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jeff_purdon
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Re: Is Yoshi sick?
just my opinion but i'd say its a combo of the change in the lights after being dim for a few days and the extra commotion around the tank. hopefully anyway. im sure it will be fine by tomorrow.
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goldielocke76
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Re: Is Yoshi sick?
Thanks guys, I will definitely keep everyone posted. Thanks for responding, I was afraid that no one else would because it's so late lol. I can't wait to get a protein skimmer!!
5.5g: Pond snails
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
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bertie 83
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Harlequins, CAE's, Yoyo
Loaches, Clown loaches ,Eels, various shrimp, tangs,wrasses, damsels, chromis - Location (country): Brighton, England
- Location: brighton , england
Re: Is Yoshi sick?
It's 8:55 am here lol
It's amazing how easy maintenance is. If done regularly and thoroughly
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bertie 83
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Danios, Tetras, Redtail Rasporas,
Harlequins, CAE's, Yoyo
Loaches, Clown loaches ,Eels, various shrimp, tangs,wrasses, damsels, chromis - Location (country): Brighton, England
- Location: brighton , england
Re: Is Yoshi sick?
Just had a good look at the photos and he looks fine, just a wee bit stressed. Get the lighting routine sorted tho. You done everything right on the set up so stop giving yourself a hard time, all will be fine
It's amazing how easy maintenance is. If done regularly and thoroughly
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goldielocke76
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Re: Is Yoshi sick?
bertie 83 wrote:It's 8:55 am here lol
LoL 1:01 AM here in Cali.
I wish you could see her =( she's pacing in the corner closest to me and she's still grey. The spot on her head that is normal color, is a vibrant green, so I know she will be beautiful once she adjusts (if that is all it is). I just wish I came home to a happy little green Yoshi to begin with ><
LoL on a side note, you should have seen Luau. He was royally po'd at me and he let me know it. Wouldn't even come out for blood worms or snails.
5.5g: Pond snails
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
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bertie 83
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Danios, Tetras, Redtail Rasporas,
Harlequins, CAE's, Yoyo
Loaches, Clown loaches ,Eels, various shrimp, tangs,wrasses, damsels, chromis - Location (country): Brighton, England
- Location: brighton , england
Re: Is Yoshi sick?
Pacing can also be stress related
It's amazing how easy maintenance is. If done regularly and thoroughly
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sevenyearnight
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Re: Is Yoshi sick?
She looks normal, and the behavior sounds normal. Give her time to adjust. GSP's do pace when stressed or bored.
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goldielocke76
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Re: Is Yoshi sick?
Thanks guys. LoL, there is nothing wrong with her appetite!
5.5g: Pond snails
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
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goldielocke76
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Re: Is Yoshi sick?
Skimmer will be here in t-minus 4 days. I can't wait!! It will suck because she will stress out again, but hopefully with a skimmer and a decent sized water change, when everything settles down, she will be her vibrant green =)
5.5g: Pond snails
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
5.5g: Red Cherry Shrimp and Rams
10g: PZ the Pee Wee (DP), Ghost shrimp, Otos x3
36g: Luau the F8, Zebra nerites x8, sometimes a herd of ghost shrimp for food
60g: Perches the starry blenny, 1 watchman goby Snaps the l.c. hermit, 2 emerald crabs, 1 red crab, 2 turbos, 7 asteas, 2 nerites, 2 clown gobies and 2 firefish gobies (upgrading to a 90 gallon reef)
RIP Yoshi, you are dearly missed <3
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sevenyearnight
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Re: Is Yoshi sick?
Just so you know, yes a skimmer is important, but thee are a lot of people who run marine tanks indefinitely without skimmers. Not that I'm saying that it isn't great to have, but don't expect to it to effect your puffer's coloring. It may not even produce skimmate right away.
The only thing you will be able to notice different with a skimmer, is that gross smelly junk will collect in it, it's nothing you can test for.
Also, I've noticed some GSP's are a duller yellow with a neon halo, while others are a brighter green/yellow all over. There could be many reasons for this, one being possible sub species differences, and another being lighting. What is the Kelvin ratng of your bulbs?
The only thing you will be able to notice different with a skimmer, is that gross smelly junk will collect in it, it's nothing you can test for.
Also, I've noticed some GSP's are a duller yellow with a neon halo, while others are a brighter green/yellow all over. There could be many reasons for this, one being possible sub species differences, and another being lighting. What is the Kelvin ratng of your bulbs?