clove oil
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Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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clove oil
i was gonna clip my one f8s teeth when i move him to new tank but i went out to the pet store and wal mart and didnt find any all i see for toothache stuff is benzocaine 20% is that the technical term for clove oil or do i need to look somewhere else?
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Re: clove oil
As someone who has South American puffers teeth trimming is something I'm familiar with. Benzocaine as far as I know is a local anesthetic in humans, so I don't think it would be safe. I have used clove oil in the past before I was able to secure a small amount of MS-222. If you have to use clove oil be very careful as there are suggestions that it can cause other issues such as brain damage if not used particularly carefully.
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Re: clove oil
MS-222 is very available in the USA... a quick google search for that or finquel will help.
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Re: clove oil
Yes, use M-222 / Finquel.
Don't use clove oil please, too many people said their puffers suffered brain damage, even just using once for short periods.
Don't use clove oil please, too many people said their puffers suffered brain damage, even just using once for short periods.
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Re: clove oil
Anyone remember the product "Euthanize"? It was clove oil.
+1 to all the nay-sayers on clove oil.
+1 to all the nay-sayers on clove oil.
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Re: clove oil
i ordered some ms 222 for 20$ roughly ty
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Re: clove oil
Great! Where did you buy it from? Is it the Finquel?
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Re: clove oil
good move. Follow the directions explicitly and if you have any Q's don't hesitate to ask them here.
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Re: clove oil
@PP i found them at argent first but with shipping and all it was gonna be $60 to which i said hell no! then i looked at second search result from western chemical and they have it for $6 with $13 shipping and yes it is finquel i believe. i couldnt find good cuticle nippers at the stores i went to would a small nail clipper work as well? or a big nail clipper? the flip out ones with the curved cutting mouth are the kind i have
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Re: clove oil
No, you really should use the nippers. They are at any drug or beauty supply store.
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Re: clove oil
roger that
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Re: clove oil
I'd just like to be one more person saying "I'm glad you were able to order the MS-222 (and avoid using clove oil)"!
I've always used the cuticle clippers as Pufferpunk suggests. I do keep a pair of regular nail clippers on hand, but I think the cuticle clippers make it easier to avoid accidentally cutting the puffer's lips.
Best of luck!
I've always used the cuticle clippers as Pufferpunk suggests. I do keep a pair of regular nail clippers on hand, but I think the cuticle clippers make it easier to avoid accidentally cutting the puffer's lips.
Best of luck!
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Re: clove oil
well it came in the mail today and it is called tricaine-s and it is in powder or crystalyne form. Not sure how much to use for one puffer. what do you all think?
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Re: clove oil
the instructions should be on the main site.
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Re: clove oil
I've only used it in powder form. I did it by trial and error since I had no way to measure an amount as small as was required. I put a bit in water, put the fish in and then added more slowly in very small amounts until the fish tipped over.
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