My Modestus is very much ready for a trimming! I used Clove oil several years ago on him and I didn't enjoy it at all. I got a bad feeling about it. I'm glad to see there is a new anesthetic being used - MS-222. I would really like to take care of my puffer today as he's having trouble eating. Is there anywhere in the Chicago area (I'm actually a ways west of Chi) that sells Tricaine methanesulfonate, so I wouldn't have to wait any longer?
Thanks!
MS-222
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Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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sevenyearnight
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Re: MS-222
Pufferpunk can probably help you on that end, but yes, good call on not using the clove oil. Pufferpunk lives in Chicago and does puffer dentistry.
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Dinsdale
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Re: MS-222
Yes, I do recall that Pufferpunk lives in Chicago. I also recall her expertise on the matter 
- she gave me some advice years ago when I last did this . I think I can handle the procedure once I have the correct anesthetic, although it is very tempting to hire her to do it for me...
Pufferpunk, or anyone else in Chi area: if there are no stores that carry it, do you have any Finquel you could sell me?
- she gave me some advice years ago when I last did this . I think I can handle the procedure once I have the correct anesthetic, although it is very tempting to hire her to do it for me...Pufferpunk, or anyone else in Chi area: if there are no stores that carry it, do you have any Finquel you could sell me?
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Re: MS-222
Fosters and Smith sells it too if you can wait a few days for shipping.
http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/p ... atid=12271
http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/p ... atid=12271
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Re: MS-222
Unfortunately, Drs Foster and Smith have it on backorder. It won't be avail until at least 10/06...
Are there any other reputable sources of it online?
Are there any other reputable sources of it online?
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Re: MS-222
I've got plenty. Come by & get some. 
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: MS-222
what a nice offer!Pufferpunk wrote:I've got plenty. Come by & get some.
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sevenyearnight
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Re: MS-222
That's wonderful, thanks Pufferpunk! I will PM to discuss details.
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Re: MS-222
I've got no work for tomorrow. Just have to bring my neighbor to get her hair done.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Dinsdale
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Re: MS-222
Indeed!puffpaddy wrote:PP is always lookin out...
Thanks again, Pufferpunk! It was a pleasure to meet you and your puffers! I will be trimming Bak Mei's teeth tomorrow afternoon!
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Re: MS-222
I'm going to try again today. Hopefully in the next hour, I'm getting things prepped.
I think with an extra set of hands here it will go smoother.
I know he doesn't have to be totally out, but he is a rambunctious puffer - I couldn't get him to be still at all last time. But, I think I had too much water for the amount of MS-222 I used. I will use about 2 cups as Pufferpunk suggests.
I think with an extra set of hands here it will go smoother.
I know he doesn't have to be totally out, but he is a rambunctious puffer - I couldn't get him to be still at all last time. But, I think I had too much water for the amount of MS-222 I used. I will use about 2 cups as Pufferpunk suggests.
Re: MS-222
When I did it I put the puffer in tank water, put a wee bit of the sedative in, put the puffer in, and then added more sedative if it was needed until the puffer rolled over. They do keep breathing and it's a pain when you're trying to trim 
Just make sure to keep putting them back in the medicated water so they can actually breathe.
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