Dying toadstool

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1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.

2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.

3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)

4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.

5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.

We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.

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One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.

Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Dying toadstool

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Not fish, this time, but a coral. Toadstools don't want to live in my tank, and I really don't know why. And I really want to know why.
Some info about the tank. It's a 32 G tank, with a 17 G sump. It's been running since June, and contains two fishes, some small SPS and a colony of zoas.
Water parameters are:
Nitrate: 0-2
Strontium: 10
phosphate: 0
Calcium: 330
Nitrite: 0
Magnesium: 1200
KH/alkalinity: 8/2,85
SG 1.026
Lights: 4 X 39 W T5

The story of my toadstools are like this. When I started the tank, I got a toadstool with the LR. It was thriving in my tank, and it was beautiful to watch. Then I went on vacation. While I was away, my friend who was supposed to refill water, forgot what she was doing, and overfilled the tank, and flooded my floor. This meant that the SG dropped pretty much, pretty quickly, and it stayed that way for about 5 days, until I came home again. The toadstool was still alive then, but not very satisfied with the situation. Unfortunately I came home with new fish too, and because ot them, I had to raise the SG quickly to be able to put the new fish (and some shrimps) into the tank. This killed the toadstool off. :( The LR and the other corals survived though. A few weeks later, I bought a new toadstool to replace the first one. That one survived one day! I had no idea what happened. It barely put out its "tentacles" after it came here, and it retreated them pretty quickly, and then died off. I didn't know if it was the moving that killed it, so I thought I would make one more try. On Saturday I bought one mor, a bigger one. After acclimatizing it, I put it into the tank, and it seemed so satisfied with its new life. It put out all its "tentacles" pretty quickly, and looked very good. I went to bed. When I got up next day, it wasn't in such a good mood anymore. All the "tentacles" were in, and it seemed to get more and more angry with me during the day. In the evening I moved it to a bucked of clean SW, but it didn't make it. It has died off too, and I am really upset about it. It was a beautiful one! So what is killing them off, and so quickly? Could it be the zoas poisoning it? Please help me, as I want to keep one. I am so in love with that kind of coral!
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Pic please? Leathers are "moody" corals. They look dead one day (flopped over & withered) & then a week or 2 later, they shed their skin, perk up, extend their tentacles & look bigger & more beautiful than ever.

You can always try vitamin C. ;)
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Also, no need to test or dose Strontium. Get your Ca up to 400-450. Are you running carbon on there?
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I have a Toadstool that I thought was dead after about 2 months. He was usually big, pink & spotty but he turned small, blue & withered looking. Turned out he was ?shedding. After about 5 days he came "alive" again, bigger & better than before. Each time he sheds now, I just wait a few days & he looks great again & keeps growing.
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Pufferpunk wrote:Get your Ca up to 400-450. Are you running carbon on there?
I wasn't, but I put up something on Sunday. Unfortunately too late to save the toadstool.
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Re: Dying toadstool

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I'm having the same issue and oddly enough I was going to take pictures and ask the same question! Mine is a Fijian Green Toadstool and he starts his day all shriveled up and through out the day he expands and turns cup like, with the outer edges pointing up towards the light. Funny, I've tested everything but calcium lately but my last test was only 340. I did not realize that Toadstools were that dependent on calcium levels being photosynthetic softies. My shrooms and my Haddons Carpet are thriving at that level.

Oh, BTW, never, and I mean never touch a Haddons Carpet. I accidentally got too close and got stung on the hand, it was like I boiled my whole hand up to mid forearm for a few hours.
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