figure 8 is looking really bad!! any suggestions?
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Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
figure 8 is looking really bad!! any suggestions?
My figure 8 is eating now since I've cut his teeth, but no appears to be constipated. he still has the white spot on his head, which melafix seems to have no effect on, and i thought hi jaw was just pushed open, but it seems it might have been the same as on his head causing swelling? well i looked at him this morning, and clearly saw his bottom lip is like torn off! he has some skin still dangling, but it is torn right down to his bottom teeth. his belly is also grey. He is also still stuck on the bottom of the tank, like a swim bladder problem... and suggestions for the poor little guy?
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I talked to a AP representative and they said that Pima was in a way succesor to Melafix, in that it can treat becterial infections that have gained a imunity to melafix as well as treat fungal infections.lisalisa wrote:They are intended to treat different things.perek wrote:Try a PimaFix, its superior to Melafix
More Info please!
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Whilst looking to buy some Pimafix and Melafix online I came across some blurb from API.
Where Melafix rapidly repairs damaged tissues fins etc etc and pimafix treats for internal and external bacterial infections, fungus etc.... It then goes on to say that Pimafix has been formulated to work in conjunction with Melafix to enhance its effectiveness in cases of stubborn infection to treat the disease and promote regrowth of damaged tissues.
When they are used together they multiply each others effects. Pimafix is a natural botanical remedy which apparently eliminates the possibility of the development of resistant strains.
From that it sounds like if the infection is resistant to Melafix, combining it with Pimafix should the trick. Has anyone put this into practice? or is what i've read total rubbish.
Where Melafix rapidly repairs damaged tissues fins etc etc and pimafix treats for internal and external bacterial infections, fungus etc.... It then goes on to say that Pimafix has been formulated to work in conjunction with Melafix to enhance its effectiveness in cases of stubborn infection to treat the disease and promote regrowth of damaged tissues.
When they are used together they multiply each others effects. Pimafix is a natural botanical remedy which apparently eliminates the possibility of the development of resistant strains.
From that it sounds like if the infection is resistant to Melafix, combining it with Pimafix should the trick. Has anyone put this into practice? or is what i've read total rubbish.
Hilly
I'll definatly pick up some melafix and more pimafix.
i know every one likes to see the water perameters, and i know it's not quite enough for me to say they are ok, ahh, i'll test it really quick...
nitrate - 10
nitrite - 0
water is very hard
alkalinity 240
ph 8.4
(recently added some salt to bring up sg )
sg - 1.005 ( looks like i need to add more)
however the problem has been going on longer than this, since ph was 7.0, and sg was 1.008. (still trying to get used to this whole balancing sg and keeping it there...)
pufferpunk told me bore the ph should be 8, so im not too far off, some more salt should bring that down right, or does salt bring it up?
ahh, need to go get melafix right now, thanks for the info...
i know every one likes to see the water perameters, and i know it's not quite enough for me to say they are ok, ahh, i'll test it really quick...
nitrate - 10
nitrite - 0
water is very hard
alkalinity 240
ph 8.4
(recently added some salt to bring up sg )
sg - 1.005 ( looks like i need to add more)
however the problem has been going on longer than this, since ph was 7.0, and sg was 1.008. (still trying to get used to this whole balancing sg and keeping it there...)
pufferpunk told me bore the ph should be 8, so im not too far off, some more salt should bring that down right, or does salt bring it up?
ahh, need to go get melafix right now, thanks for the info...
ahh, i'm gettign dislexia or somehting, i looked at what i had on my shelf behind me, and thought... i read it as pimafix, even though it is melafix, so i go to wal*mart in search of melafix, got some, got home, doh!! i meant to get pima fix!!! arg... back to the fish store, since wal*mart didnt have pimafix!! ahhhhhhhh! LOL
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Salt will most definitely raise the PH.
A SG of 1.005 is the best setting for F8 puffers.
PH is definitely a bit high, im not sure about the alkalinity, do you have an ammonia test kit? i assume the tank has been running awhile so im guessing there is no ammonia.
If it is consipation or a blockage, you could try feeding him a pea.
hope this helps
A SG of 1.005 is the best setting for F8 puffers.
PH is definitely a bit high, im not sure about the alkalinity, do you have an ammonia test kit? i assume the tank has been running awhile so im guessing there is no ammonia.
If it is consipation or a blockage, you could try feeding him a pea.
hope this helps
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i haven't tried the pea trick, only because i dont think he would eat it. he wouldnt eve think about eating the vegitable diet frozen cubes that also have brine shrimp (accidentally fed him one of those once.)
right now he is looking very bad. i got some pima fix, and melafix working togather at him. if it doesnt have a big impact on him in 24 hours, i feel he wont make it. right now he looks to be just hours away from puffer heaven. fingers are crossed.
thank you all for helping, and yes my amonia is zero.
right now he is looking very bad. i got some pima fix, and melafix working togather at him. if it doesnt have a big impact on him in 24 hours, i feel he wont make it. right now he looks to be just hours away from puffer heaven. fingers are crossed.
thank you all for helping, and yes my amonia is zero.
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