I got a 4.5 inch MBU which i discovered that it had developed ich this morning. I did a 20% water change and added some salt. There is no way for me to increase the temperature as i do not have a heater.
PH: 7.5
Ammonia: 0.5mg/l
Nitrite:0mg/l
Nitrates:10mg/l
No tank mates other then some ghost shrimps. I feed it a piece of market pawn twice a day and i do a 25% water change every four days. I just added some frogbits and salvinia to the tank a week back to help with the nitrates. I had this tank for almost 2years therefore i believe it should be fully matured. For the 0.5mg/l of ammonia i do not know why but i can never bring it down no matter how much water change i do.
Any advice?
Ich on my MBU
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Ich on my MBU
What is the temp in there now? Lack of a heater is probably the #1 reason a fish gets affected by ich.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: Ich on my MBU
Agree 110% with PP.
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Re: Ich on my MBU
Redpeasant how big is this tank, how long have you had the MUB and how was the tank cycled? You shouldn't be showing any Ammonia.
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Re: Ich on my MBU
Currently the temperature is here is at 27 degree. Which i believe is the acceptable range for MBU. It is house in a 90 US Gallon tank.
Re: Ich on my MBU
How was the tank cycled? Any Ammonia is quite harmful.
Couple good links to read.
library/puffers-in-focus/mbuforyou/
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=150
Couple good links to read.
library/puffers-in-focus/mbuforyou/
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=150
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Re: Ich on my MBU
Agree with trekink about the ammonia being present is also stressfull to the puffer, along with no heater in the tank to help keep the temp up and stable. Ich is caused by a chill for tropical fish right along with other reasons too but with your tank not having a heater and ammonia being present probley the main cause here. You can go buy a heater for your tank at a lfs or buy one online. About a 300 watt heater would work in your tank.
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Re: Ich on my MBU
Fishless cycle for a week before housing about 30 feeder mollies for 2 weeks. Had kept channa and mono in the tank previously.
Do you think it's safe to use medication on the fish Or salt?
Do you think it's safe to use medication on the fish Or salt?
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Re: Ich on my MBU
Both links a must read for considering a mbu.
For treating ich, you need to raise the temp to 30: library/hospital/fwich/
For treating ich, you need to raise the temp to 30: library/hospital/fwich/
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: Ich on my MBU
Medications are not suggested for puffers. I know you are aware of the dangers of feeder fish which quite possibly could introduce ich to the tank.RedPeasant wrote:
Do you think it's safe to use medication on the fish Or salt?
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Re: Ich on my MBU
Just got a heater and i had raise the temp to 31. Added salt according to the article and did a 50% water change.
Yup I am aware of the danger that the feeder fishes may bring. But i am more worry that my fishes might die due to a poorly cycled tank. So i am have some feeder to test the water first.
Yup I am aware of the danger that the feeder fishes may bring. But i am more worry that my fishes might die due to a poorly cycled tank. So i am have some feeder to test the water first.
Re: Ich on my MBU
That is why fish-less cycle is the way to go.
library/water-filtration/fishlessconsiderations/
library/water-filtration/emergencycycle/
Glad you upgraded from the 55 gallon but sorry to be the barer of bad news, that the MUB is going to need 1000 gallons / 3790 lirtres (that is not a typo).
library/water-filtration/fishlessconsiderations/
library/water-filtration/emergencycycle/
Glad you upgraded from the 55 gallon but sorry to be the barer of bad news, that the MUB is going to need 1000 gallons / 3790 lirtres (that is not a typo).
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Re: Ich on my MBU
Add feeders to your tank & expect pathogens & many disease in the future for your puffer. The cycle is easily tested with ammonia.
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Re: Ich on my MBU
Might try adding some liquid garlic to his food. Seachem Garlic Guard with added vitamin C or Kent Marine Garlic Extreme (works for freshwater fishes too). Soakin one of the two in some freezed dried krill. Something I used to do with my puffers in the past along with raising the temp and adding salt if they where freshwater puffers, just like stated above. Oh yeah and keeping the lighting off while treating too and even adding a 15-25 watt uv Sterilizer also help if all else seems dont work as expected, imo. Btw, glad you added a heater to the tank 
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