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how to train the puffer on pellets (my methods)

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First of all, some say that puffers are really picky eaters, sometimes they will starve themselfs to death rather than eatting what you provide. This is true sometimes, but the chance it happens is not that great. Unless they are in really bad conditions, they will survive even with monthes of feeding, and they will eat eventually. I have been keeping around 10 species of puffer in the past, none of them starved themself to death.
But in most case, when you bring your puffer to the condition it suppose to in, they will pretty much eat anything you put in there, This is why I will try to show you how it can be done.
One of the most death causing reason for keeping puffer in aquarium is the owner do not provide them varieties of food. I have seen people only feed freeze dry shrimp to their puffer, I myself has done that in the past also. It may be ok for them to eat only that and be ok for awile, but it is definally not proper in the long run. Some may say that some puffer in the wild dont eat that many varieties of food either, but don't forget that the things they eat, (such as shrimp, crabs, etc) has feed on varieties of food befure they were eatten by the puffer. This is like gut loading the food you feed with varieties of things, which can be very difficult to done by man, even you are able to do it, it would take a lot of time and energy to do so, which is not so worthy in my opinion.
one method people do is to soak the food in liquid vitamins, I have done that also, which i think it is not too efficent also.
One thing most puffer keeper would agree is that puffers rarely take any processed food, they will only go after live, meaty seafood, worms, etc. This is not always true.
like my puffer, it is completly trained on eatting new life spectrum, which is good, because as many of you may know, NLS is a complete balanced food which will provide great health and condition to the fish. i feed all my fishes new life spectrum, like many people do, nls never gave us problems, even on the most easy bloated wild caught tropheus.
The method i use is no way of a innovation, a lot of people has done it before with many types or animals, i have done it on other reptiles like turtles, too.
The meatty food i used for my puffer was a whole shrimp, because my puffer is pretty big, it can swallow a whole shrimp in one bite. this should work well on other large species puffers too, but for smaller puffers, you may have to adjust accordingly.
First, butterfly the shrimp from the back with a knife, or you can buy those shrimp that is already butterflyed, but the trick is do not butterfly the shrimp all the way, just cut it half way on the back, this way the shrimp does not open too big, it will hold the pellets when it enter the water. When you feed it, try to get the puffer to the surface of the water, so it can eat it right quick. Try to not let the shrimp sit for too long, the pellets will fall out pretty easy sometimes. Most large species puffers do not chew too much, rather they swallow most of the food, so this method works pretty good for me, the pellets only fall out a few times.
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then, press the the shrimp firmly, the pellets will "sink" into the shrimp meat a little, you should feel the round pellets from outside of the shrimp with finger, also kinda see through the pellets from outside. This helps to hold the pellets in the shrimp more tightly.
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now close the cut a little bit, try to return the shrimp to the orginal shape as possible, so the puffer dont notice too much.
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now you should be good to go, try to feed the puffer like this for a month or so. then try the pellets by itself, they should eat it. One important trick is to always get the puffer to the surface to feed it, this is important because you'd better use floating type of pellets, to better remove any uneatten pellets.
Some of you may wonder, how many pellets should feed. This should be different puffer by puffer, some puffers will stop eatting once they are full, i know when my puffer is done, because from the shape of the stomach and my puffer tend to play with food (chew it and spit it out) when it is full.
So here is the end of the story, please take a look at the video of my mbu feeding on NLS. (these are NLS EX Large fish pellets). I feed basically 50/50 with pellets, and meatty seafood, and once in awile some crabs, snails, crawfishs to trim the teeth of it.
Thank you all for reading this, I truly hope this would give some ideas to your feeding, and i hope this will work on your puffer too, i have only done it on my mbu, so i am not sure if others will have the results like mine, so if it does not, please forgive me, like i said, each puffer is so different than others.

here is the video on youtube (720P HD available):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT7K7JBJzlU
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We have a great artificial in our library on feeding.

library/feeding/feeding-your-puffers/

I find most Puffer fish to be one of the easiest species to get to eat in the aquarium setting. This is true for most, excluding some of the lurkers and i hear the burrfish are tricky ones also.
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i think maybe i talked too much about feeding before i got into the main point?
but the main thing i trying to say in this thread is try to get the puffer to eat pellets.
i am not saying they need to be feeding on pellets completly, but instead the pellets are like a suplement to them.
and i stated many times, to use NLS pellets. Maybe not a lot on here know about NLS, but if you google it, you will find what people say about it, and people use it to basically feed any fish. I personally used it on a lot of other fishes, including many of the most picky lake tanganyika species, they all worked great.
And from my own puffer experienced, since i swiched on NLS, the grow rate, condition are getter much better.
Seems like not a lot of people would give it a try.. :(
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Just last week i decided to try feeding my fahaka some hikari pellets but i had no hope that he would take a liking to them and have them added into his diet but i was very delighted to find out otherwise. :D

I got my fahaka to eat pellets on Day 2. Day 1: he took a bite and didnt seem interested at all. I feed him Hikari sinking canivore pellets by the way. I simply use a pair of tongs to place the pellet near his mouth and nudge his mouth with it. Kinda like forcefeeding haha. He will then eat and swallow it though he doesnt seem to like it very much compared to his other favourites. I continued doing this for a day and by Day 3, i simply just drop the pellets in the tank and he gobbles each and everyone of them excitedly. :lol:
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ScallyWag wrote:Just last week i decided to try feeding my fahaka some hikari pellets but i had no hope that he would take a liking to them and have them added into his diet but i was very delighted to find out otherwise. :D

I got my fahaka to eat pellets on Day 2. Day 1: he took a bite and didnt seem interested at all. I feed him Hikari sinking canivore pellets by the way. I simply use a pair of tongs to place the pellet near his mouth and nudge his mouth with it. Kinda like forcefeeding haha. He will then eat and swallow it though he doesnt seem to like it very much compared to his other favourites. I continued doing this for a day and by Day 3, i simply just drop the pellets in the tank and he gobbles each and everyone of them excitedly. :lol:
hikari sinking canivore is also a good option, but in my opinion too expensive lol..
we have a local shop sells 5lb NLS bucket for 40 bucks..
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Puffer's dental plates are for biting/crushing, not for chewing. They do chew, but with their pharyngeal teeth - which we cannot see in the live specimen - but we can see the fines (bits of shell, etc.) they expel from their gills while chewing.

If such pellets are not tiny, they will be chewed and the fine ejected, which is bad for the tank water.
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RTR wrote:Puffer's dental plates are for biting/crushing, not for chewing. They do chew, but with their pharyngeal teeth - which we cannot see in the live specimen - but we can see the fines (bits of shell, etc.) they expel from their gills while chewing.

If such pellets are not tiny, they will be chewed and the fine ejected, which is bad for the tank water.
you are right..this does happen sometimes, they will both chew and swallow on the pellets as you can see from the video...
and i agree the fines is going to effect the water somewhat, but since i got a big wet dry on that tank, nothing much will be hurt from doing this..
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I have to call shenanigans on this post, what if any is the point?

There is never a reason to feed pellets to a puffer, large or small. They probably don't taste as good as real food, there is no such thing as a puffer designed pellet so probably nutritionally inadequate, feeding time is excitement and entertainment for a puffer-which is more fun some pellets or real food, pellets do not wear down teeth, and it would take massive amounts of pellets to feed a large puffer.

It sounds like you are just trying to force nature to do something not natural because you get a good deal on 5 pound buckets.

Food for puffers needs to provide 3 things
-nutrition
-wear down teeth
-and entertainment

I seriously doubt pellets provide any of these things, maybe a little nutrition if the puffer swallows it.

If you feel that your puffer needs a supplement, then I say to you you are probably feeding a poor diet to begin with. A varied diet makes a good diet, not feeding low nutrition foods and supplementing with pellets.



This is just my opinion, and I know that the occasional puffer likes pellets and the occasional pellet is not harmful..so, I am not making fun of puffer owners who give pellets once in awhile.

But, your point is ridiculous IMO. My puffers eat real food because I take the time and money to buy them real food for a diverse diet...which is much more nutritional and better for their teeth-which is a lot more than anyone can say for pellets.
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I tend to agree with PC. The only time I feed pellets to any of my fish is if i'm in a hurry or lazy. Otherwise they get live or frozen/defrosted foods.
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purplecandle wrote:I have to call shenanigans on this post, what if any is the point?

There is never a reason to feed pellets to a puffer, large or small. They probably don't taste as good as real food, there is no such thing as a puffer designed pellet so probably nutritionally inadequate, feeding time is excitement and entertainment for a puffer-which is more fun some pellets or real food, pellets do not wear down teeth, and it would take massive amounts of pellets to feed a large puffer.

It sounds like you are just trying to force nature to do something not natural because you get a good deal on 5 pound buckets.

Food for puffers needs to provide 3 things
-nutrition
-wear down teeth
-and entertainment

I seriously doubt pellets provide any of these things, maybe a little nutrition if the puffer swallows it.

If you feel that your puffer needs a supplement, then I say to you you are probably feeding a poor diet to begin with. A varied diet makes a good diet, not feeding low nutrition foods and supplementing with pellets.



This is just my opinion, and I know that the occasional puffer likes pellets and the occasional pellet is not harmful..so, I am not making fun of puffer owners who give pellets once in awhile.

But, your point is ridiculous IMO. My puffers eat real food because I take the time and money to buy them real food for a diverse diet...which is much more nutritional and better for their teeth-which is a lot more than anyone can say for pellets.
like i said...the only reason i did so was that i truly truth on NLS.
It maybe hard for people to understand if they never tried NLS, which i know a lot poeple had not.
like I previously stated, NLS did work well on all the fish i kept. This is why i try to switch it on NLS.
not like i got a good deal on the bucket, or i am lazy, cheap to not buy good meaty food for the puffer.
before i even tried the NLS, the puffer is feeding on almost 10 different things that i found it is good for it, which i still feed now.
I think a lot of people believe that pellets is not good/not as nutritional as "real food"...
it would be just hard to believe i think for those never tried it, or never willing to...
which i kinda know different voice would appear before i post this out.
for those who know what i am talking about, good,
if not, no hard feeling lol..
just see it like a joke.
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I have to agree w/PP and PC on puffers, but I do rely heavily on prepared foods for all of my schoolers and most of my cats. The pellets discussed include many which I use routinely and with full satisfaction for me and believe for the fish as well.

I never stockpile food in quantity. I use a wide variety of prepared foods - what one lacks or has in excess the next is likely to compensate for one way or another by another. Any given fish of those mentioned is highly unlikely to receive the same prepared food twice in any week - variety is significant IMHO, for multiple reasons. I tend to buy and use the smallest containers possible, so that any given feeding is of at least relatively "fresh" prepared food - temperature, humidity, and oxygen are enemies of any and all foods. I had rather discard the residues of the small containers than to offer the fish less than the freshest possible food. But I am neurotic about a lot of such things.
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I agree--my catfish/plecos & cichlids love pellets! Old food gets ground up & fed to live worms.
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My GSPs eat Hikari sinking carnivore pellets, but no other prepared food of any kind. It's nice to know I have them to fall back on when I'm low on live snails and/or out of live worms, but I still consider it mostly a fallback, as they don't quite love it like they love the meaty stuff.
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purplecandle wrote:I have to call shenanigans on this post, what if any is the point?

There is never a reason to feed pellets to a puffer, large or small. They probably don't taste as good as real food, there is no such thing as a puffer designed pellet so probably nutritionally inadequate, feeding time is excitement and entertainment for a puffer-which is more fun some pellets or real food, pellets do not wear down teeth, and it would take massive amounts of pellets to feed a large puffer.

It sounds like you are just trying to force nature to do something not natural because you get a good deal on 5 pound buckets.

Food for puffers needs to provide 3 things
-nutrition
-wear down teeth
-and entertainment

I seriously doubt pellets provide any of these things, maybe a little nutrition if the puffer swallows it.

If you feel that your puffer needs a supplement, then I say to you you are probably feeding a poor diet to begin with. A varied diet makes a good diet, not feeding low nutrition foods and supplementing with pellets.



This is just my opinion, and I know that the occasional puffer likes pellets and the occasional pellet is not harmful..so, I am not making fun of puffer owners who give pellets once in awhile.

But, your point is ridiculous IMO. My puffers eat real food because I take the time and money to buy them real food for a diverse diet...which is much more nutritional and better for their teeth-which is a lot more than anyone can say for pellets.
I have a different opinion. No offense but you may be ignorant about the nutrional values of high quality pellet food. Just because you don't see/know the food going into them, you deem them as a nutritionally poor diet. Its a scientifically proven diet, just as how bodybuilders supplement their diet heavily on powdered protein and creatin supplements. Pellets are somewhat similar in this case. Pellets are actually a good all-round food.

There isn't a puffer designed pellet simply because of the sheer small market for puffer keepers and puffers are very hard to wean on taking pellets. Marketing a puffer pellet is the dumbest thing to do. I disagree that it would be nutrionally inaqdequate for a puffer. No study has been made that puffers dont gain any(if not) lesser amounts from a pellet diet. Its just hard sterotyping.

If its not natural, I dont see why pellets should even be made if all fish should take its natural food source. I know its not a norm for puffers to eat pellets but many other giant fishes have taken them(as a staple) and benefitted from the nutrition it provides and has grown enormous on them.

And no, Hikari is not cheaper than a bag of MP even 5-6 times its weight. The general consensus and stereotype is Puffers and pellets don't go together but if your puffer accepts and enjoys pellets as a part diet, why not? I had an easier time introducing him to pellets than to MP. It took him nearly a month to finally swallow a piece of MP.

In the Hikari canivore sinking pellets, there are at least 20 different ingredients and vitamins and the crude protein is at 47% min. Which IMO has a high level of protein for growth and is a very good way of introducing the many nutrients and minerals to build up vitality and immune system. Not to mention, it has very little moisture and fat in them compared to other frozen food. I understand that puffers require a very varied diet to do well but pellets can be PART of that diet IMO.
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if your puffer accepts and enjoys pellets as a part diet, why not?
I don't think anyone disagrees with this.
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