I have a GSP that i got 2 weeks ago, a F8 that I've had for 3 months and a guppie.
GSP is very lethargic during the day. His right gill opening is MUCH larger than his right and when he breathes i can see something white inside (not sure if its supposed to be there).
He has a lump under his skin on the right side. No bleeding or leaking just a lump.
His tail/spine curves almost always as well.
I have attached a movie of him i took this evening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpS_Ulfwzzk
PLEASE HELP!
HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
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Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
ph- 7.6-7.8
ammonia-unsure
nitrite/nitrate= 0
10 gallon- GSP, F8, guppie, ghost shrimp
1 frozen cube of blood worms every night.
Water change about once every 2 weeks, 20-30 %
Been set up for 3 months or so. Used to have nitrates.
Brown algae started to grow, problems apart from the gill one have def been there since I bought the GSP
ammonia-unsure
nitrite/nitrate= 0
10 gallon- GSP, F8, guppie, ghost shrimp
1 frozen cube of blood worms every night.
Water change about once every 2 weeks, 20-30 %
Been set up for 3 months or so. Used to have nitrates.
Brown algae started to grow, problems apart from the gill one have def been there since I bought the GSP
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
Oh my...You need to do a 50% water change right now and continue doing that daily.
Do you have a test kit or did you take a sample to the pet store? If you are taking a sample then do it tomorrow? I guarantee you that the numbers are off the chart. You are severely overstocked and every one of those fish are going to die if you don't do something immediately.
Again...Do at least a 50% water change right now! Don't forget the de-chlorinater and try to get the new water temp as close to the tank water temp as possible. And do not feed them anymore until you get some more advice from this forum.
Do you have a test kit or did you take a sample to the pet store? If you are taking a sample then do it tomorrow? I guarantee you that the numbers are off the chart. You are severely overstocked and every one of those fish are going to die if you don't do something immediately.
Again...Do at least a 50% water change right now! Don't forget the de-chlorinater and try to get the new water temp as close to the tank water temp as possible. And do not feed them anymore until you get some more advice from this forum.
There are many knowledgeable fish keepers on this forum willing to help and give great advice...The advice is free; What you choose to do with it gives it value.
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
I already did a 30% or so water change today.
Should I change it AGAIN????
Should I change it AGAIN????
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
Did you cycle the tank? If so, exactly how?
You need to read these articles:
library/puffers-in-focus/an-introductio ... d-puffers/
library/puffers-in-focus/fig8/
library/water-filtration/emergencycycle/
library/water-filtration/fishless-cycling/
library/category/feeding/
I think that lump is a tumor, but I'm not sure.
You need to read these articles:
library/puffers-in-focus/an-introductio ... d-puffers/
library/puffers-in-focus/fig8/
library/water-filtration/emergencycycle/
library/water-filtration/fishless-cycling/
library/category/feeding/
I think that lump is a tumor, but I'm not sure.
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
I would.jakjak1220 wrote:I already did a 30% or so water change today.
Should I change it AGAIN????
And tomorrow when you go to the pet store, pick up a product called "Prime" and use the dosing directions for high ammonia and nitrite. Those fish are in alot of trouble and I've never seen a F8 or GSP with a belly as dark as your GSP. That means he is extremely sick from the ammonia and nitrite poisoning.
For right now just work on getting the water clean with water changes and Prime. Very, very soon you are going to have to make some big decisions as what to do about keeping these fish. You are going to get a ton of advice here.
Thoroughly look over these posts...That is after you do a water change.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24703
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24662
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24737
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
I would do 80% or so daily.
"I will give you a talisman. Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her. Will she gain anything by it? Will it restore her to a control over her own life and destiny? In other words, will it lead to freedom for the hungry and spiritually starving millions? Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away."
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
just did ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite test.
ALL CAME BACK "0"
WHAT THE HELL
ALL CAME BACK "0"
WHAT THE HELL
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
What type and brand of test kit are you using. How old is it...There should be a date on it somewhere.
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
test kit is brand new. Its the "master kit" that is most recommended on forums i've seen. comes with 4 glass test tubes as well
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
Did you read the directions, shake the bottles, and wait the correct amount of time?
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
That's odd.jakjak1220 wrote:test kit is brand new. Its the "master kit" that is most recommended on forums i've seen. comes with 4 glass test tubes as well
Check the date on the bottles anyway.
The API master kit's nitrate solution #2 bottle has to be shaken for atleast 30 seconds before using and the test tube should be shaken for atleast 1 minute or it will give you a zero reading.
Did you use 10 drops each solution for the nitrates
8 drops each solution for the ammonia, shake for 5 seconds
5 drops for the nitrite?
There is absoloutley no way that that tank has "0" readings. And with only 30% water changes every 2 weeks you should show high nitrates.
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
I did everything as you said except for the Nitrates test. Retested after shaking bottle #2 and got a reading in between 40 and 100...JRC3 wrote:That's odd.jakjak1220 wrote:test kit is brand new. Its the "master kit" that is most recommended on forums i've seen. comes with 4 glass test tubes as well
Check the date on the bottles anyway.
The API master kit's nitrate solution #2 bottle has to be shaken for atleast 30 seconds before using and the test tube should be shaken for atleast 1 minute or it will give you a zero reading.
Did you use 10 drops each solution for the nitrates
8 drops each solution for the ammonia, shake for 5 seconds
5 drops for the nitrite?
There is absoloutley no way that that tank has "0" readings. And with only 30% water changes every 2 weeks you should show high nitrates.
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Re: HELP! GSP gill/lumps/curved spine tail
all bottles are less than 10 months old from date of bottling. API says they are good for 4 years i think.