just bought 2 new little saps a couple of days ago, theyre in a 180l tank atm, by themselves, pH8(ish) ammonia 0 nitrite 0 nitrate <10
up till 2nite they both been ok ,eating like little pigs and just basically acting like little lunatics as saps tend to do lol. when ive come back in tonight tho, they swam right upto me like usual, fast as rockets, and 1 of them kinda looked as if he lost his balance and started rolling over n over really fast right at the top of the tank instead of swimming. now since then everytime he swims 2 fast or gets excited he does the same thing again lol!! what could be causing that?
another sap problem!
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Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: another sap problem!
lol ive worked out whats going on with him...hes eating to many worms, getting to fat and then overbalancing lol!! this only happens after worm time. the greedy little puff is taking all the worms that i put in for both lol! then when hes trying to swim fast, hes looking like 1 of these
lol!! is quite cute, but obv isnt good for him, how can i stop him being so greedy?
lol!! is quite cute, but obv isnt good for him, how can i stop him being so greedy?-
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Re: another sap problem!
I don't know if that is possible, I have 1 that will eat almost everything (and anything), 1 that will eat some and the little guy gets let out sometimes.
if you follow me, you avoid stepping in the crap that I just did...
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Re: another sap problem!
oh kk 
thanks anyways!! ill just have 2 try make sure the other 1 gets some before fatty gets 2 them all!
thanks anyways!! ill just have 2 try make sure the other 1 gets some before fatty gets 2 them all!-
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Re: another sap problem!
yes, targeted feeding works well... or do the "dine and dash" feed piggy first in his corner so he becomes distracted and then feed the other (targeted feeding).
if you follow me, you avoid stepping in the crap that I just did...
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Re: another sap problem!
that is kinda what i been trying 2 do...but the 2nd 1 still isnt fast enough lol the greedy 1 scoffs his share down, then almost before the smaller 1 gets to look at his worms, greedy puff is straight over the other side eating the rest of the worms! he needs to learn some manners lmao!
the greedy 1 scoffs his share down, then almost before the smaller 1 gets to look at his worms, greedy puff is straight over the other side eating the rest of the worms! he needs to learn some manners lmao!-
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Re: another sap problem!
haha.. I don't know what to say...
are you feeding snails at all?
that may be a better solution. If you feed them at night, they actually have to go looking for them.
are you feeding snails at all?
that may be a better solution. If you feed them at night, they actually have to go looking for them.
if you follow me, you avoid stepping in the crap that I just did...
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7 south american puffers ( shaun, paddy, sketch,
pele + 3 with no name yet!)
2 irrubesco (princess ruby + richy) - Location (country): uk
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Re: another sap problem!
oh ill try that! yeh i do feed them snails,and cherry shrimps. the snails neveer seem to interest either of them much, but then i never see any snails in the tank either, so i guess they are eating them at some point 
both seem to like the shrimps, but how often should i be feeding them shrimps? ive been using them as a 'treat' kind of lol, every couple of days or so.
both seem to like the shrimps, but how often should i be feeding them shrimps? ive been using them as a 'treat' kind of lol, every couple of days or so.-
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7 south american puffers ( shaun, paddy, sketch,
pele + 3 with no name yet!)
2 irrubesco (princess ruby + richy) - Location (country): uk
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Re: another sap problem!
ok ok, thanks!! i have always had a lot of trouble getting my other saps to eat anything that isnt bloodworms, but the 2 new 1s will try pretty much anything. im hoping once theyve been quarantined long enough, and i put them all together, the old 1s will copy the new 1s and be a bit less nervous with new food