I have a soft spot for Severums but that should bring the nitrates down as they're not small and they are messy. Well mine was anyway.
True, puffer keepers tend to be owned. You pay for them and they make you pay more and more cash out keeping them.
MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
Didn't say it was... just that it's a classic sign of that.Mikeyburnsey wrote:My No2 Nitrite zero so how can it be nitrite poisoning, I am now doing a water change, will answer the other questions laterPufferpunk wrote:Why are you using Amquel? How big is the puffer/tank mates? Generally, "drunk" swimming is a sign of nitrite poisoning. What test kits are you using?
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Ok just when someone mentions that it could be a certain thing, I assumed you was telling me it could be Nitrite, so sorry for not thinking down your lines!!
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
I usually salt our tanks every other water change.. 5 gallons per tbsp. and i only treat the amount I removed.. for example.. I remove 30 gallons of water, I only treat 30 gallons of water..even though it is a 120gallon. I have found since iIve started doing this all my fish seem to be in better health, and happier. Sometimes I just put in very little.. it all depends.
If you see him slowly coming back to his usual self then yes, that is a great sign... whatever you do DO NOT touch him!! lol
If he gets worse I would suggest leaving the tank lights off, and possibly covering it with a light sheet or something if it is in a high traffic area.. sometimes being stressed can only make things worse. & covering the tank/turning off the light will help to prevent more stress from occuring
If you see him slowly coming back to his usual self then yes, that is a great sign... whatever you do DO NOT touch him!! lol
If he gets worse I would suggest leaving the tank lights off, and possibly covering it with a light sheet or something if it is in a high traffic area.. sometimes being stressed can only make things worse. & covering the tank/turning off the light will help to prevent more stress from occuring
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
Thanks again Lisa, i will. but I positioned my tank well away from flowing traffic, it's just behind me and my PC, on swivel chair so i get the best of both worlds LOl
My No3 stills seems to be high, I will carry out another water change tomorrow, but not as much, dunno what yo think, should I add some Amquel ??? Or just leave it (Nitrate No3 is still about 20mgl ) it's doing my head in
My No3 stills seems to be high, I will carry out another water change tomorrow, but not as much, dunno what yo think, should I add some Amquel ??? Or just leave it (Nitrate No3 is still about 20mgl ) it's doing my head in
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
when doing the water changes are you stirring the substrate and siphoning it off?
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
J-P wrote:when doing the water changes are you stirring the substrate and siphoning it off?
A bit of both if I am honest, but mainly just clearing the mess off the top of the sand.
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
That might be your problem. Give it a good vacuum. That would explain the high nitrates...and would explain why the nitrates were still high after the water change.
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
AFAIK when adding the water from a WC disturbs the substrate releasing trapped organics and gases which will throw your numbers off to a certain extent.
I am no pro and do have high nitrates also, but I always try to stir the sand a bit just prior to the siphon and take out as much of that debris as possible. Sometimes I just add an HOB on there, stir it up and let the brown particles get caught in the HOB, then remove the and start my siphon.
If it is really bad I hook up a Diatom filter and get shoulder deep into the tank and stir everything every day (on my heavy bio load tanks only).
I am no pro and do have high nitrates also, but I always try to stir the sand a bit just prior to the siphon and take out as much of that debris as possible. Sometimes I just add an HOB on there, stir it up and let the brown particles get caught in the HOB, then remove the and start my siphon.
If it is really bad I hook up a Diatom filter and get shoulder deep into the tank and stir everything every day (on my heavy bio load tanks only).
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
This is for beds deeper than 1". Either way, all sand beds should be stirred thoroughly, before weekly WC.AFAIK when adding the water from a WC disturbs the substrate releasing trapped organics and gases which will throw your numbers off to a certain extent.
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
thanks for the info, about the sand, I will use your advice, and not the advice I had been given years ago!!!
Midge is still not very active, I am today going to treat the tank with Kusuri
Midge is still not very active, I am today going to treat the tank with Kusuri
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I'd add Melafix too.
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
Pufferpunk wrote:I'd add Melafix too.
As well as using Kusuri, it would be ok to use Melafix in addition
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
I cant remember if I used them both at the same time. I think I would wait until at least the day after if you were going down the Melafix route.
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Re: MBU (Midge) Looks Drunk
Yeah I was going too, but thanks any wayHilly wrote:I cant remember if I used them both at the same time. I think I would wait until at least the day after if you were going down the Melafix route.
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