Figure 8 Internal Parasites / Constipation (Pics)
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Figure 8 Internal Parasites / Constipation (Pics)
Btw, just to reiterate, the excretion is coming from somewhere about 1/4" in front of the anus and at times it was coming out while something else was coming out of the anus. I tried to find a pic of puffer anatomy but all I could find are some for regular fish, could it be coming from something like genital or urinary orifices?
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Re: Figure 8 Internal Parasites / Constipation (Pics)
He does seem to be swollen but he is also in new distress since adding the Epsom Salts. Removing the Epsom Salts to see if the timing of the new distress is coincidental or caused by the change in the water from adding the salts. If he improves in a short time the Epsom is more than likely the cause, not necessarily directly though. Trying to relieve constipation can be very taxing on the fish physically causing the inability to swim. The poo looks to be IP's from the pics posted also, I would treat the IP's and then start the Epsom salt again towards the end of the IP treatment.
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Re: Figure 8 Internal Parasites / Constipation (Pics)
Oh my, it's like that stuff isn't even coming out of the anus at all!
I think that I might be tempted (gloved, since I've no clue what it is) try to pick the puff up and carefully, gently inspect... I too have searched for an hour for information on puffer anatomy, where the eggs excrete, look like, anything... The only thing I can find info on is how they inflate, and where their spines are...
I think that I might be tempted (gloved, since I've no clue what it is) try to pick the puff up and carefully, gently inspect... I too have searched for an hour for information on puffer anatomy, where the eggs excrete, look like, anything... The only thing I can find info on is how they inflate, and where their spines are...
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Re: Figure 8 Internal Parasites / Constipation (Pics)
Don't know if this helps at all, but these are pics of immature eggs excreting from a puffer (Puffer is dead)
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Re: Figure 8 Internal Parasites / Constipation (Pics)
It didn't look like that, mine was brown and kinda flaky looking.
He/she has been laying on it's side just pushing around the bare-bottom and I don't expect it to live through tomorrow. Keep you fingers crossed though.
When I purchased the fish last Sunday a chose him over one of the others that had an almost perfect "?" pattern on it's back and head. And now I question my decision.
He/she has been laying on it's side just pushing around the bare-bottom and I don't expect it to live through tomorrow. Keep you fingers crossed though.
When I purchased the fish last Sunday a chose him over one of the others that had an almost perfect "?" pattern on it's back and head. And now I question my decision.
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Re: Figure 8 Internal Parasites / Constipation (Pics)
Well the fish died on Monday.
Just goes to show ya, just because you pick the healthiest looking fish in the tank, it still may have problems. I must've sat in front of that tank for a half an hour total studying those fish to find the right one.
That fish never ate a single thing and only pooped a few parasites in the whole eight days. If and when I decide to buy another one I will go before their feeding time so I can watch them eat.
I bagged it and have it in the freezer so I may dissect it to see what was going on inside that fat belly.
Thanks all...
Just goes to show ya, just because you pick the healthiest looking fish in the tank, it still may have problems. I must've sat in front of that tank for a half an hour total studying those fish to find the right one.
That fish never ate a single thing and only pooped a few parasites in the whole eight days. If and when I decide to buy another one I will go before their feeding time so I can watch them eat.
I bagged it and have it in the freezer so I may dissect it to see what was going on inside that fat belly.
Thanks all...
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Re: Figure 8 Internal Parasites / Constipation (Pics)
aww that sucks... sorry your little guys didn't make it.
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