Help... Palembang unbalanced swimming

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1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.

2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.

3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)

4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.

5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.

We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.

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One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.

Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Help... Palembang unbalanced swimming

Post by soggydrysuit »

sh1rang, I'd say again that your technical English is excellent :)

There may be some video out there for 'burping pufferfish' but who is to say it is the correct procedure?

This is an area I've not experienced before because none of my puffers have ever 'puffed up'. Yet!

I am interested in the difference of signs between a puffer 'rolling' due to ingested air or neurological/brain damage caused by poisoning?

Can we tell?
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Post by pufferpuggirl »

Wouldn't a puffer that's ingested air have a hard time staying down? Whereas with my Uno he was able to swim and stay down but as things progressed he just rolled around. And it sounds like sh1rang's Palembang was doing the same thing as Uno.
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already search and got this, maybe u can give some comment about this vid pufferpunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCZp8O4w ... r_embedded

Actually my first language is bahasa :) slightly different from malay but i can understand if someone speak malay with me hehe :p
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Post by Pufferpunk »

Well, that's close but there have been times where I've had to grab the puffer by it's tail & really shake hard, to get the air out. Also, I don't think I'd want a porcpuff puffing in my bare hands!
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Why pufferpunk? poisonous? or because her needles? yup i also did like in vid but nothing happens, but didnt try wat u said with grabbing her tail and shake hard :(
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Yeah, those spines can pierce the skin.
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Re: Help... Palembang unbalanced swimming

Post by soggydrysuit »

So, if a puffer is rolling and not having buoyancy probs then that might be neurological from nitrite or any other form of poisoning?

Bahasa? I'll have to look that one up - I'm interested in languages, just rubbish at them! I knew someone once who came from the Big KL and spoke in a broad 'Geordie' english accent. When I asked him where he was from he said -'Hey, I'm from Malaysia, me!' It was hilarious because we were down in the south of the UK where the accent is more BBC english. Well, these days it's getting at lot more 'London' or cockney. :)
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Post by pufferpuggirl »

Well, with Uno, I did shake him vigorously by the tail, as I've had to do that when I've had puffers puff up before, but nothing happened. So I don't think trapped air had anything to do with Uno's demise. I'm starting to think poisoning of some sort, especially with how quickly those F8's went downhill. And I know the water parameters were spot on because I was diligent in checking after Uno died. :?
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PPG, If those are the same puffers with the dyed plants, I might guess poisoning too.
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Re: Help... Palembang unbalanced swimming

Post by L!$A »

From personal experience of trying to burp a large mbu puffer, if you are not 100% certain they have swallowed air, which it is very easy to tell, DO NOT try to burp them.
It is probably the worst thing to do, is to touch your puffer when they are sick and stressed out. I do not know for certain, but I would say if your puff cannot swim properly or is floating upside down and their tummy does not look puffed. I would try doing a large water change, make sure to test water before the water change, treat tank for constipation (with salt), and keep the lights off and cover the tank with a light sheet or blanket .. make sure to allow air to still be able to enter the tank.. and do daily water changes or as you see fit to the situation.

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