GSP color change with new substrate

The forum for puffers that either live or start in brackish biotopes: GSPs, F8s, Ceylons & more.
Post Reply
Barbel
Puffer Fry
Posts: 2
Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:45 pm
Location (country): United States

GSP color change with new substrate

Post by Barbel »

Hi everyone. This is my first post here but I've been reading these forums for quite a while. I'll start off by saying that I've spent quite some time searching the forums here for the answer to this question but haven't found anything on it. Anyway, I'm the happy owner of 3 very young GSPs who were doing very well up until yesterday, very brightly colored and active. I decided to change out my aquarium gravel and add in 100% black sand because I thought the look would make them stand out really well. The result of my choice was not as I had intended. All 3 of my little guys have since turned very dull in color, somewhat of a black tint to them all over. Prior to the substrate change I tested the water and had ammonia - 0, nitrites - 0, PH - 7.8, nitrates < 20 (haven't figured out why this is high yet). I just checked the water today after having the black sand in there for 24 hours and the readings are identical. SG is at .005 before and after change as well. I feel like I've ruled out water quality as a problem after testing today.

The only logical solution I can come up with is that they are trying to match their surroundings, resulting in a darker skin color. After doing a lot of searching, I am still unsure if GSPs change color in this way. If this is the problem, I'll probably swap out the black sand for something a little lighter to bring their color back. If they are not the type of animal that changes like this for camouflage, I'd like to know so I can figure out what is stressing them out and fix it.

Any advice is appreciated. Thank you.
Brandon8521
Fahaka Puffer
Posts: 824
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:41 pm
Location (country): Usa

Re: GSP color change with new substrate

Post by Brandon8521 »

I would blame there color on the substrate aswell. When i had the blue gravel in my fw tank they seemed darker, and even when i had tan playsand my GSP still wasnt as bright as he is now that i have the really light colored reef sand in my tank. In my case it could have been the sg or the substrate but if your parameters are all fine i would lean toward them trying to blend in that and it could seem like a new tank and they are just settleing back in.
User avatar
Pufferpunk
Queen Admin
Posts: 32979
Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 11:06 am
Gender: Female
My Puffers: Puffers I have kept:
T lineatus
T miurus
A modestus
T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
C lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
T niphobles
Location (country): USA, Greenville, SC
Location: Greenville, SC
Contact:

Re: GSP color change with new substrate

Post by Pufferpunk »

[welcome]
The only logical solution I can come up with is that they are trying to match their surroundings, resulting in a darker skin color.
100% true!
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
User avatar
xrayjeeper83
Mbu Puffer
Posts: 4167
Joined: Thu May 06, 2010 9:31 pm
Gender: Male
My Puffers: Fahaka named Bloat
Abei named Huey
GSP named Bacon
Location (country): USA
Location: Orange Park, FL

Re: GSP color change with new substrate

Post by xrayjeeper83 »

sounds about right to me(but im not as smart as pufferpunk)
RTR wrote:Fahakas do not have tank mates, they may have swimming food reserves.
User avatar
pufferpuggirl
Mbu Puffer
Posts: 3979
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:04 pm
Gender: Female
My Puffers: Puffs & Stuff:

1 x M Abei
1 x M Turgidus
1 x T Palembangensis
1 x M Baileyii
1 x T Schoutedeni
1 x T Leiurus
1 x T Miurus
Rainbow crab
crayfish
Location (country): Yorkshire, GB
Location: South Yorkshire, UK

Re: GSP color change with new substrate

Post by pufferpuggirl »

Well keep in mind that if they were in the wild, and there was dark substrate and they were brightly coloured, they would stand out and be a meal for a predator ... but if they darken themselves and blend in with the surroundings, then they aren't as liable to be a meal, and therefore live a longer and happier life. :)

and also [welcome]
"Puffer .... man's best friend?"
Barbel
Puffer Fry
Posts: 2
Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:45 pm
Location (country): United States

Re: GSP color change with new substrate

Post by Barbel »

Thanks for the replies. I'm glad it's just the camouflage in them coming out and not another problem. I guess my next question would be, is there anything short of removing the black sand that would help bring their color back? Right now the tank looks really good, and I'd prefer to keep the sand, but not if the puffers are going to be this color forever. The tank has a couple big redish rocks with a few holes in them for hiding, and a few tall green and red plastic plants. I tried laying some white sea shells (clean) on top of the sand throughout the tank to see if that would bring some light into them but it didn't do much. Any suggestions? Thanks.
SammyDee
Mbu Puffer
Posts: 1073
Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:50 am
Gender: Male
My Puffers: 55g (2) GSP, (2) Maroon Clownfish, (1) blue damsel, And some soft corals and 1 Nem
45g FW community
20g snail and shrimp breeding tank for puffers
Location (country): USA USA USA USA
Location: Detroit, Michigan

Re: GSP color change with new substrate

Post by SammyDee »

I use white aragonite sugar grain sized sand. My gsp's love it and are mostly bright green. I agere thou the black sand is very sharp looking but if you want there colors to show Id swap it for a white/ish substrate.
"DREAM AS IF YOU'LL LIVE FOREVER, LIVE AS IF YOU'L DIE TODAY' -JAMES DEAN
User avatar
pufferpuggirl
Mbu Puffer
Posts: 3979
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:04 pm
Gender: Female
My Puffers: Puffs & Stuff:

1 x M Abei
1 x M Turgidus
1 x T Palembangensis
1 x M Baileyii
1 x T Schoutedeni
1 x T Leiurus
1 x T Miurus
Rainbow crab
crayfish
Location (country): Yorkshire, GB
Location: South Yorkshire, UK

Re: GSP color change with new substrate

Post by pufferpuggirl »

I think, if you want your puffers to be a bit brighter, that you're going to have to change it out. I think it's just a natural reaction for them to become darker with they are in darker surroundings. Hard to argue with nature. :)
"Puffer .... man's best friend?"
User avatar
Pufferpunk
Queen Admin
Posts: 32979
Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 11:06 am
Gender: Female
My Puffers: Puffers I have kept:
T lineatus
T miurus
A modestus
T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
C lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
T niphobles
Location (country): USA, Greenville, SC
Location: Greenville, SC
Contact:

Re: GSP color change with new substrate

Post by Pufferpunk »

Light-colored background?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
Brandon8521
Fahaka Puffer
Posts: 824
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:41 pm
Location (country): Usa

Re: GSP color change with new substrate

Post by Brandon8521 »

I was thinking lightly colored background with some aragonite based rock ( the dry base rock you can get for sw tanks.)
User avatar
Pufferpunk
Queen Admin
Posts: 32979
Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 11:06 am
Gender: Female
My Puffers: Puffers I have kept:
T lineatus
T miurus
A modestus
T biocellatus
C valentini
C coranata
C papuan
C lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
T niphobles
Location (country): USA, Greenville, SC
Location: Greenville, SC
Contact:

Re: GSP color change with new substrate

Post by Pufferpunk »

Yeah, I think J-P had black sand with large white rocks in there & the tank looked very striking.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
Post Reply