Problems with Takifugu Ocellatus

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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.

1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.

2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.

3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)

4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.

5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.

We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.

While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.

Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Problems with Takifugu Ocellatus

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ph 7.6
ammo 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 10
salinity 1.024
90g, 1 Takifugu Ocellatus, a couple of tiny hermit crabs
Eats scallops, shrimp, earthworms, occasioonal mussels and snails and jumbo krill, everything gets soaked in vitamin water. Water change 10% weekly or larger right now. Doug is fed by hemostat and therefore is a very clean eater, there is never excess food left in the tank.
Only thing added to water is reef salt and vit c. I have discontinued the vit c right now as the skimmer is off due to melafix dosing.
The tank has been set up for about a year.

Douggie had a big freakout last week, he swam super-fast, bashing himself ionto one side of the tank then the other. (He used to do this a lot when he was in the smaller tank I purchased him in but doesn't do it very much anymore.) He scratched himself a bit on the side, it didn't look that bad. But a couple days later the scratch developed an inflamed looking area around it, his colors looked crappy, and he seemed to have a bit of extra slime on him. It's hard to tell for sure because he's always got sand on him from burying himself, but it definitely looked like more than normal. He also seemed to be holding his mouth open more than usual, and it looked a little swollen, and like he was in pain. I started treatment with melafix on Thursday. (The melafix I have says for salt and freshwater but it says to turn off the skimmer, so I did. I've been very-wet-skimming to do small (5g) water changes for the last few days, then adding more melafix and turning the skimmer off.

Since then, one time when I look, he seems better, then the next time, he looks worse. He's still open-mouth "panting". He's always been an off-and-on eater, and has gone for weeks without eating, but he was in a good-eating phase and now isn't been showing an interest in food, even eartworms. Then yesterday it seemed like he wanted to eat but couldn't get most of it back. I'm starting to wonder if he broke or severely bruised his jaw :-(

To make matters worse, I've never had reason to believe he had parasites, but 2 times in the last few days, I've checked on him and he's had a very small bit of white stuff at his opening (looks like empty casing), don't know if it's just poo but there's nothing to really poop out or what???

He's swimming around and behaving more or less normally, but the slime thing and the jaw thing are really freaking me out, I'm just really afraid something is seriously wrong and shouldn't be ignored... Suggestions??? I would be devastated if he died :-(
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Bump...didn't get any replies...
We're on day 7 of melafix and he isn't really getting better or (thank goodness) any worse. Still not eating but he's done that before...I'm thinking he injured his jaw :-( Should I stop meds, continue melafix, or change drugs? Is there anything anti-inflammatory I can add to the water...I was thinking the iherb vit c that I usually use might do that but I haven't been adding it cuz the skimmers off due to melafix...
Anyone?
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Not a clue, sorry :(
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If the Melafix isn't working, do a WC & add the VC. Too bad Yunachin doesn't post here anymore. Maybe try sending her an email?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

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Thanks, will do that tomorrow. Do you have an email address for Yunachin?
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Should be available in her profile, otherwise PM me for it. She's also on Facebook a lot.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...

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Yipee!!! Douggie just ate 2 good sized hunks of shrimp!!! His color is still not 100% but his mouth looks a little better...hopefully he's on his way back :-)
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Oh, thank goodness! Did you change anything? Did you ever hear from Chin?
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I did, thank you so much for recommending that I contact her! I didn't really change that much. I stopped the melafix as she didn't think it was anything that that would help. Her thoughts were that it would just take time and that perfect water was more important than meds for his condition, so I did some big wc's.and got the skimmer back on. I also went back and re-read her article and I'm going to have to rethink my plans for the tank...since he was ignoring my starter corals, I was going to upgrade my light and add more but apparently they like lower light, so I might have to start another smaller reef tank :-)
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Glad Doug's better.

Some great pics you have of him!!!

Any chance a GSP and Occeletus could live together in like a 75 gal tank??

Too muck risk?
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can you post the e-mail reply here for future ref?
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I would NOT EVEN CONSIDER trying that combo.
Doug is my first fugu, but he is incredibly sensitive, and I believe the constant movement of a GSP would cause him a great deal of stress. When he's resting under the sand, any movement annoys him. And they are territorial. During one of Dougs early hunger strikes, in sheer desperation, I added a few mollies to see if he would eat them. (He had been fed feeder fish exclusively by his previous owner). He didn't seem to kill to eat them as much as hunt them to make them go away :-( One is still living in my community tank because I couldn't watch him being tormented. The rest were left in bits to be fished out by me :-(
Also, the MINIMUM for these guys is 55 gallons. Always the queen of overkill, I got a 90g (48") instead, and I think he'd be even better in a 60" tank, he loves to swim (not pace, just stroll) along the entire length of the tank...
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