Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: WANTED: well-seeded brackish filter media approx. sg 1.009
Almost two weeks since acclimation to hypo. All the nasty green hair algae that was on my live rock is dead(Yay!), along with all my calerpa(Boo!). Slight raise in nitrates from the die-off, but no trace of ammonia or nitrates, nor any abnormal fish behavior that might indicate discomfort. All three poofers are eating well. No trace of the cryp parasites. Much to my surprise, my coraline algae is hanging in there! Not sure it can last the next month, but it's doing better than I'd hoped. I will prepare an article on this method if all of the fish are spot-free and healthy two weeks after return to full marine conditions.
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
You're doing hypo in your main tank with live rock/sand in there? No ammonia/nitrite?
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
None at all - see viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21024&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p223933 for a detailed explanation of the procedure used - it was recommended to me by the fish specialist veterinarian on staff at Mystic Aquarium here in CT once I explained exactly how my sump was set up.
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
No changes in the fish, still healthy, spot-free, and eating well, but this treatment has had one side benefit - the green hair algae plaguing the system all died and fell off! On top of that, the dead material all floated up and went down the drain, allowing me to easily dump it out of the biobag on my drain hose before it rotted much.
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
All good news!
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
Pinned topic! I call pinned topic!
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
As happy as I am so far, it's a BIT premature for pinning this - I have to wait another month or so, then bring them back to full marine and confirm that the infection is in fact gone - if the coraline algae and biofilter managed to acclimate at this rate to less than half marine SG, I want to be sure the cryp microbes themselves are dead.
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
We are now at about 5 weeks since the goal SG was reached. The only thing I really had to do was keep my eye on the SG, to make sure evaporation never took it to 1.010; there is no cover on my sump, so I must keep on top of evaporation.
The puffers are back up to full size meals as of last week and I've never found any trace of ammonia or nitrite, and NO spots at all.
However, this leaves me with finding the answer to the question, HOW did a tank acclimate this quickly from full marine SG down past half? The research has spoken(and I have now read it), and different strains of bacteria have been definitively shown to support tanks with this split.
I have a theory as to how this could be.
The bacteria that support mature tanks are, in fact, different. However, as we know, mature tanks also have a LOT more bacteria than they need, so much that any more would starve.
So yes, the bacteria keeping the tank cycled through the SG change are the "wrong" bacteria; but, by gradual acclimation, they managed to adapt to outside of their proper place. Were I to hold the tank at 1.009 for long enough, the tank would undoubted accumulate the correct strains, which are much better adapted at functioning in this SG range and would outcompete my acclimated marine population, replacing them. I had enough bacteria that despite acclimation stresses and suboptimal conditions, they managed to get the job done.
The puffers are back up to full size meals as of last week and I've never found any trace of ammonia or nitrite, and NO spots at all.
However, this leaves me with finding the answer to the question, HOW did a tank acclimate this quickly from full marine SG down past half? The research has spoken(and I have now read it), and different strains of bacteria have been definitively shown to support tanks with this split.
I have a theory as to how this could be.
The bacteria that support mature tanks are, in fact, different. However, as we know, mature tanks also have a LOT more bacteria than they need, so much that any more would starve.
So yes, the bacteria keeping the tank cycled through the SG change are the "wrong" bacteria; but, by gradual acclimation, they managed to adapt to outside of their proper place. Were I to hold the tank at 1.009 for long enough, the tank would undoubted accumulate the correct strains, which are much better adapted at functioning in this SG range and would outcompete my acclimated marine population, replacing them. I had enough bacteria that despite acclimation stresses and suboptimal conditions, they managed to get the job done.
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
My bigger concern would have been the more delicate, tiny creatures living in the LR, that couldn't possible acclimate to the lower SG & die off. But where's the ammonia from their deaths???
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
I honestly think Jilly, who has a permanent white scrape mark on her forehead from continually attacking live rock, has scourged it of anything but the smallest 'pods(who seem fine). I have not seen anything bigger than a half millimeter long in most of a year.
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
I just read a paper on bacteria. It's titled bacteria and I believe it's in the general section.
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
You give me inspiration. I bought the cleaner wrasses to help with the ich but never eliminated it. Just controlled it. I may try this in the future.
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Re: Rapid full tank acclimation to SG 1.009 for cryp(sw ich)
Sadly, many cysts form on the gills where the wrasse cannot reach... this should eliminate it forever.
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