Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
I don't bother with kH for FW fish. Just my reef tanks. I was more concerned about keeping a single adult angle in a 20g tank.
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
As far as the Pleco goes it is a "bull dog" aka rubber nose aka wide mouth. Not rare.
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
Gah, Angel fish.. people forget they are cichlids and aggressive. Keep an eye on it that it doesn't terrorize your other fish and research its full grown size, most people have no idea how big those things can get (HUGE).
Both angels and gouramis are somewhat aggressive fish that like to pick fights with other larger, colorful fish, so you might have a problem there.. the angel will almost guaranteed kill the gourami if they do start going at it.
I have seen mollies hit the 6" mark, females especially get quite large if kept healthy and in proper water conditions. Most of time though they breed out of control and the tanks are routinely overstocked, with poor water quality as a result. A full grown sailfin molly is a beautiful sight.
For the pleco, definitely try to verify the ID. There are very very few species of plecos that stay that small.. the only one that I have seen commercially is a dwarf bristlenose and you generally don't find them in stores, only in the private breeding trade (I had a pair a few years back that I picked up at a convention). Regular bristlenoses and rubbernoses (bulldog) are considered "small" and even those grow to 6-8". Considering there are literally thousands of pleco species, it could be just about anything.
Sorry for the loss of your puffers.. but definitely use it as a learning experience and keep up those water changes for these new fish
Both angels and gouramis are somewhat aggressive fish that like to pick fights with other larger, colorful fish, so you might have a problem there.. the angel will almost guaranteed kill the gourami if they do start going at it.
I have seen mollies hit the 6" mark, females especially get quite large if kept healthy and in proper water conditions. Most of time though they breed out of control and the tanks are routinely overstocked, with poor water quality as a result. A full grown sailfin molly is a beautiful sight.
For the pleco, definitely try to verify the ID. There are very very few species of plecos that stay that small.. the only one that I have seen commercially is a dwarf bristlenose and you generally don't find them in stores, only in the private breeding trade (I had a pair a few years back that I picked up at a convention). Regular bristlenoses and rubbernoses (bulldog) are considered "small" and even those grow to 6-8". Considering there are literally thousands of pleco species, it could be just about anything.
Sorry for the loss of your puffers.. but definitely use it as a learning experience and keep up those water changes for these new fish
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
Ok, thats the thing though! I did do research, all throughout the internet. I read how angelfish are semie-aggressive and how gouramis are also semi-aggressive but that when put with fish of the same temperament that there shouldn't be a problem. Right now, it's the mollies that seem to be chasing everyone away, which is why I'm not so sure I'm going to keep them. I thought I had done a lot of research to where if got some I'd be ok. There's so many different answers to the questions that I ask, that I just go for it and hope for the best, which luckily so far with any fish I've had, I have done fairly well. And yes, the puffers do count because they lived for about a yr up until my stupid butt put algae eater in there.
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
I would think gouramis are better since they are somewhat small (dwarf gouramis at least). Angelfish have been known to tear tetras apart.

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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
I personally would rate angel fish as a bit more than "semi aggressive" especially once they are mature.
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
All right, don't you know by now never to trust a LFS?Mrs.Puff wrote:Dadof4: What the heck!!! Why couldn't someone at the LFS tell me that they were brackish fish? I did not want anymore brackish fish at the moment. I'm so irritated. I never knew they were brackish and I, as well, have had them before. Maybe that's why I never seen them get anymore than 3-4 in, because I've always kept them in FW. Now I know. What should I do now? Take them back, or just keep them in the FW?? Please tell me that angelfish, and gouramis are not BW. Even though I've also taken care of both, over the years, I'd still like to know, because I didn't know about the mollies before.
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