Yea I'll check again. But he didn't even look anything like the normal pleco. I saw him and he had like peach spots where they eyes should be and I though something had eaten his eyes out but when I looked closer, his eyes were actually really small black eyes that weren't in the peach area, but close to it.
Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
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Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
Well I still shouldn't have gotten like that lol. Sorry again though
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Yea I'll check again. But he didn't even look anything like the normal pleco. I saw him and he had like peach spots where they eyes should be and I though something had eaten his eyes out but when I looked closer, his eyes were actually really small black eyes that weren't in the peach area, but close to it.
Yea I'll check again. But he didn't even look anything like the normal pleco. I saw him and he had like peach spots where they eyes should be and I though something had eaten his eyes out but when I looked closer, his eyes were actually really small black eyes that weren't in the peach area, but close to it.
Puffers are amazing!! 
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1 Betta 2g
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Piranha 29g
2 Oscars 75g
R.I.P: Mrs.Puff, Mr. Puff and, Jumbo
1 Betta 2g
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
Really? ohhhh My LFS just got a bunch in today! I turned them down cause I really wasn't impressed. It looked like a common to meLilGreenPuffer wrote: There are pitbull plecos, which are extremely rare and only get to 2"
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- Location: Kentucky
Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
SiberianHeart has one. They're the size of an oto and very cute. She said they're actually more efficient, too.
"I will give you a talisman. Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her. Will she gain anything by it? Will it restore her to a control over her own life and destiny? In other words, will it lead to freedom for the hungry and spiritually starving millions? Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away."
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I AM A DUDETTE!
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- pufferpuggirl
- Mbu Puffer
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1 x M Baileyii
1 x T Schoutedeni
1 x T Leiurus
1 x T Miurus
Rainbow crab
crayfish - Location (country): Yorkshire, GB
- Location: South Yorkshire, UK
Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
I had one before, and it was really cool, they love to work that gravel .... unfortunately I killed it by using a medication (way back before I knew that such things were bad to use). Our LFS has them now, and I've thought about getting another one, just have to decide where to put it if I do get one. 
"Puffer .... man's best friend?"
Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
JP, I want some. What is your LFS? Just a private one?
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- J-P
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
Pet Value but he has an indie supplier
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- OCgatergal
- Green Spotted Puffer
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- My Puffers: 4 Green Spotted Puffers- Puck, Laika, Hubble ( the biter), Sputnik
- Location (country): CA, USA
Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
Pictures can certainly help when it comes to identifying them...

I believe you have small mud puddles mixed up with acres of rice paddies.
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
yea... I have to confirm IF they are Pitbull or Bulldog plecos... now that I found 2 "dog" plecos I can't be 100% certain
Mrs Puff sorry I didn't mean to Hijack this thread ...
now back to our regular programming

Mrs Puff sorry I didn't mean to Hijack this thread ...
now back to our regular programming
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- Pufferpunk
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C papuan
C lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
Aren't those the ones with the big fat rubber lips?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
- Mrs.Puff
- Green Spotted Puffer
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- My Puffers: I have had my first puffer for about 2-3 weeks now and her name is Mrs. Puff, i just bought another puffer about 5 days ago and his name is Mr. Puff. They are awsome fish and they look great!! Mr. Puff is more curious and loves to see me. Mrs. Puff is very shy but im working with her so hopefully she will become more open.
- Location: ohio
Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
J-P: haha, you're fine, I think it's best that we changed the topic anyways. Oh, by the way...all of my new fish are doing great!! The pleco still won't come out yet, but they don't usually come out too often during the day so I'm not suprised any.
Puffers are amazing!! 
WELCOME! - 2 angelfish, and 1 upside down catfish
Piranha 29g
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1 Betta 2g
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Piranha 29g
2 Oscars 75g
R.I.P: Mrs.Puff, Mr. Puff and, Jumbo
1 Betta 2g
- Dadof4
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- My Puffers: 1 GSP (Microfiche) RIP, 1 Monotrete Turgidus (Leon) in a 30gal. 1 Monotrete suvattii in a 40 gal FW. 120 gallon BW with 3 juvenile Dragon Gobies (so cool). 55 gal with a 2" GSP named Hank. 180 gallon being set up for a Fahaka in the next few months!
- Location (country): United States
- Location: North Wisconsin
Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
Dalamation mollies will get up to 5 inches and are brackish fish. I currently have a breeding group (Like that's difficult to achieve, rightMrs.Puff wrote: Dalmation mollies DO NOT get 5". I've never seen them get 5" in my LIFE! I've owned them before and the most I've ever seen them get is 3" maybe 4". Maybe you need to do some more research?
Just a little insight from a guy who's raised them for 25 years, they were one of the first fish I ever had and the ones I have now are direct descendants of my original pair...
"Darwin swings...annnnnnd a miss. Boy Jim, Chuck's suffered at the plate tonight. He's 0 for 3 and I'm not sure he's recovered from that shoulder pull a few weeks ago. I'll bet the front office is re-thinking that contract."
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- My Puffers: I have had my first puffer for about 2-3 weeks now and her name is Mrs. Puff, i just bought another puffer about 5 days ago and his name is Mr. Puff. They are awsome fish and they look great!! Mr. Puff is more curious and loves to see me. Mrs. Puff is very shy but im working with her so hopefully she will become more open.
- Location: ohio
Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
Dadof4: What the heck!!! Why couldn't someone at the LFS tell me that they were brackish fish? I did not want anymore brackish fish at the moment. I'm so irritated. I never knew they were brackish and I, as well, have had them before. Maybe that's why I never seen them get anymore than 3-4 in, because I've always kept them in FW. Now I know. What should I do now? Take them back, or just keep them in the FW?? Please tell me that angelfish, and gouramis are not BW. Even though I've also taken care of both, over the years, I'd still like to know, because I didn't know about the mollies before.
Puffers are amazing!! 
WELCOME! - 2 angelfish, and 1 upside down catfish
Piranha 29g
2 Oscars 75g
R.I.P: Mrs.Puff, Mr. Puff and, Jumbo
1 Betta 2g
WELCOME! - 2 angelfish, and 1 upside down catfish
Piranha 29g
2 Oscars 75g
R.I.P: Mrs.Puff, Mr. Puff and, Jumbo
1 Betta 2g
- Pufferpunk
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C papuan
C lorteti
DPs
suvattii
burrfish
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Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
No, those are not BW fish but it's always good fishkeeping practice to research fish you are interested in, before you purchase them. Especially check into preferred water conditions, whether they prefer to be in pairs, schools or singletons & their adult size/recommended minimum tank size.
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"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
+ a million.
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- Location: North Wisconsin
Re: Another one (last one) bites the dust :(
You can keep them in FW (the mollies) but I don't think they do as well. As adults they are found in brackish river systems but as juveniles they are found in a variety of places but mainly in the upper part of the brackish river area where the SG is lower.
The rest of the fish are FW but really make sure they are compatible in water conditions. Gouramis can be finicky about their water conditions (hardness especially, some gouramis like water hard enough to walk on) and so can angels but they generally like softer water. Therein lies your dilemma. I agree with PufferPunk on the need to research, especially this combination of fish. Check what each species of gouramis and angel you have like, you may have an angel that likes a kH 4 and a gourami that like a kH range of 8-10 or higher....
The rest of the fish are FW but really make sure they are compatible in water conditions. Gouramis can be finicky about their water conditions (hardness especially, some gouramis like water hard enough to walk on) and so can angels but they generally like softer water. Therein lies your dilemma. I agree with PufferPunk on the need to research, especially this combination of fish. Check what each species of gouramis and angel you have like, you may have an angel that likes a kH 4 and a gourami that like a kH range of 8-10 or higher....
"Darwin swings...annnnnnd a miss. Boy Jim, Chuck's suffered at the plate tonight. He's 0 for 3 and I'm not sure he's recovered from that shoulder pull a few weeks ago. I'll bet the front office is re-thinking that contract."