WOW this wasn't mentioned in the "Risks to your Puffer" when I was reading this article. I agree with you PP, not worth it at allPufferpunk wrote:We have seen countless times where CO has caused brain damage used regularly for sedation. I'm not willing to chance that on my beloved puffs.
Attempt to trim GSP's teeth [Fail]
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
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2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Attempt to trim GSP's teeth [Fail]
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Re: Attempt to trim GSP's teeth [Fail]
It also isn't recommended to use on weak/sickly puffers. Especially ones already starved, due to not being able to eat from overgrown teeth. One of mine was very thin, took a long time to wake up from sedation & eventually died the next day.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: Attempt to trim GSP's teeth [Fail]
Finquil / MS222 does oneone here know where it can be bought in Canada?
ALSO I found this thread ..
http://ovas.ca/index.php?topic=34992.ms ... ;topicseen
that advises Clove over MS222
ALSO I found this thread ..
http://ovas.ca/index.php?topic=34992.ms ... ;topicseen
that advises Clove over MS222
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Re: Attempt to trim GSP's teeth [Fail]
its called Aqualife TMS in canada J-P.
http://www.syndel.com/Aqualife-TMS-P43.aspx
http://www.syndel.com/Aqualife-TMS-P43.aspx
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Re: Attempt to trim GSP's teeth [Fail]
Stormy!! Thank you that is exactly what I was looking for!!
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Re: Attempt to trim GSP's teeth [Fail]
I'm one of the people that has lost a fish to clove oil. An SAP, every time I trimmed its teeth, it took longer and longer to wake up. Each time I'd use a lower does of clove oil too. The last time, it just didn't wake up. 
That was before MS222 was available to the general fishkeeping public.
I wouldn't hesitate to use clove oil in an emergency, but not for repetitive use, such as for SAP's that need their teeth trimmed every few months, even with a steady supply of snails.
That was before MS222 was available to the general fishkeeping public.
I wouldn't hesitate to use clove oil in an emergency, but not for repetitive use, such as for SAP's that need their teeth trimmed every few months, even with a steady supply of snails.
