Porcupine - Temperature tolerance

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Porcupine - Temperature tolerance

Post by j_wishbone »

HI guys

just wodering if anyone know the the maximum tolerance of a porcupine puffer

hit 40 degrees celcius here yesterday

and found my porc laying on the ground looking pale with no movement... and have realised that it has died...

looked at the temp and it was around 30-32 degrees...

would that have been enough to finish off my favourite little pal?


no signs of any weird behaviours prior to his death.. feeding well and very active

didnt bother checking water chemistry as I think i got to the tank too late based on the funky smell coming from it... so chemistry would have been crazy already.. no tankmates... just the bacterias living in the live rock :)

I didnt find him until late at night... during feeding time

really really bombed...

1 hard lesson to learn??? :( :( :(
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86-89.6? Those are actually not so bad. They're both used for different ich treatment methods. It might have been the lack of oxygen that killed him. Warm water holds less oxygen, so when used medicinally, extra aeration is always crucial.

If the tank got to 40 Celsius (104 for us Americans), that might have been enough to kill him outright...

Is your heater still working? If it blew, it would have put out a TON of heat, which could have come back down by the time you got there.

I'm very sorry. Poor thing. :(
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hmm ok

ok ill check the heater...

im trying to find out what has caused it?


thanks...
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Without knowing the parameters before he died, it will be difficult to figure out but answer all the other Qs above in red.
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yes understood pufferpunk....

1) Your water parameters - pH?, Ammonia?, Nitrite?, Nitrates? and salinity (1.023)


2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants.
200 Litres
x1 Porcupine (15cm)
0 tankmates
just live rock


3) Feeding (1 medium prawn 5 days out 7), water change schedule (20% once a month)


4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.

nothing. just cleaned the algae off the glass.

5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it?
more than 12 months. live rock in water.. put prawn in for a month or 2.. and then a few fishes came and went...
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water change schedule (20% once a month)
Aha, just as I expected... How many lbs LR in there? Skimmer?
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no skimmer...

hmm.... 20kgs or so....

I should have checked the water temperature...

the recommended weight that the tank could hold suggested 20 kgs or so..

worried it would crack the tank..if i went over?
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Can you check the nitrates?
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Re: Porcupine - Temperature tolerance

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Sounds like the right amount of rock. You really should use a skimmer & powerheads to flow the water around the rock. Otherwise, just like FW, you'd ned to do close to 50% weelky WC on there. I don't think that filtration was adequate for 20%/month.
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Re: Porcupine - Temperature tolerance

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thanks for the advise

I will take it on board.. and make necessary adjustments to set up

to reduce heart break in the future =)
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