ceylon acting very strange after tank change
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Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
ceylon acting very strange after tank change
so i just put my ceylon in a new 55 last night from a 20l. he seemed fine at first and kept swimmin around. this morning i find him on the bottom bent in half... he came up and straitened out after i put some food it but then he started acting odd again. he is swimin up to objects rubbing his side on it for a split second then darts away(fastest i ever seen him swim)
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
If he's rubbing his side on stuff, it could be ich. That's one of the signs of ich. Does your puffer suddenly look like he's been sprinkled with salt?
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
+1robert_hollis wrote:If he's rubbing his side on stuff, it could be ich.
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
Sounds like what my F8 did when he had ich, but never had the tell-tale white "salt" spots. A month after treatment, he's fine.
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
I'd always be concerned if any of my puffers were rubbing against anything, but having said that, my redeye puffers sometimes go up to a plant leaf and flick their body against it, and while that may sound like ich (what we call "whitespot"), that wasn't an issue in this particular instance. I don't recall any of my other puffers doing it, just the irrubesco, and usually the big males. It didn't look as if they were trying to itch themselves as much as it looked like a deliberate act, for what reason, I have no idea. Just thought I'd throw that out there. 
I would think if the Ceylon has ich, you'd see at least one spot somewhere .... so I'd give it a good looking over to be sure before using any meds on it.
I would think if the Ceylon has ich, you'd see at least one spot somewhere .... so I'd give it a good looking over to be sure before using any meds on it.
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
According to the Puffer Library....
"Some symptoms before white spots appear may include flashing, clamped fins, weakness, loss of appetite, and decreased activity. In the case of heavy gill infestations, you may not see evidence of white spots, but may find your fish breathing heavily at the surface of your tank. Secondary bacterial and respiration difficulties may result, so keep an eye out for complications in addition to the ich infection."
"Some symptoms before white spots appear may include flashing, clamped fins, weakness, loss of appetite, and decreased activity. In the case of heavy gill infestations, you may not see evidence of white spots, but may find your fish breathing heavily at the surface of your tank. Secondary bacterial and respiration difficulties may result, so keep an eye out for complications in addition to the ich infection."
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
And there you go .... I didn't know you wouldn't see any spots, but I stand corrected.
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
Lol schismy007 , I wasn't tryin to be a smart butt...i'm in the middle of treating a tank for Ich and have spent alot of time going over the Puffer Library for info 
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
You could have introduced the ich to your tank if you had bought any used equipment or put new plants in there...if you think this is what it is check out the library for proper treatment...treating ich in puffers differs greatly from fish with scales...
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
Most fish and aquariums carry the ich parasite (darn central filtration) and when subjected to some form of stress (a tank move) can start showing signs of it. Stress lowers the immune system and the puffer can't fight the parasite as well.
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
Do read the article in the Library - by "meds," I think schismy means the salinity change, not actual medications. Many medications, especially ich meds, are extremely dangerous for scaleless fish.schismy007 wrote:I would think if the Ceylon has ich, you'd see at least one spot somewhere .... so I'd give it a good looking over to be sure before using any meds on it.
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
got home not to long ago and he seems to be swimmin around chilling. he does like to lay on the sponge filter tho now instead of his wood haha. i got some meds from the store but will not be giving him any until i know for sure he has something. he is still doing the swimmin into things and then whipping away quickly.
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
Don't use those meds, even if he does have ich. I repeat - dangerous!
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
Please read this before giving him any Meds! They can be harmful to your puffer!
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Re: ceylon acting very strange after tank change
i have read it. and am not treating anything yet as i do not think he has it at this time. the meds i was given was from LFS by my friend who also has puffers and he said he has used it many times in the past and it works great. half the suggested dose and only if i see spots. tupac seems better now tho so i will wait to see how he is in the morning.