Hello,
So I have four happy south Amercian puffers, all so far without need of densitry, but, it's early days for me and i am aware that denistry is probably ineveitable so have bought cutile clippers and trying to source some ms222.
My local Vet could supply it at a cost of £50 for me in the uk. That's alot of dough.
But I've found some online here http://www.pharmaq.co.uk for £25 for 25g.
Given that i have four S.A.P.'s should i go for a larger quantity if i am going to have to do this every six month or so?
Or does it have a use by date?
Alsowhat kind of dose would i put in a 2l container?
The guideline for the meds on the pharmaq website are very general for everything from trout, salmon, and ornamental fish. but puff are sensitive critters.
Loving the forum and thanks for the excellent advice in advance!
( P.S. I read the dentistry arctile, trying to stay calm...)
Advice about dosing and buying MS222 in the Uk.
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Advice about dosing and buying MS222 in the Uk.
Honestly, I'd go with the smaller quantity. You don't need much and it should last a pretty decent amount of time. How long have you had your SAP's and do you have a feel yet for how often they need trims? Some go a good long time between, others need it every 3 months.
I really wish I had gotten a chance to test mine out, but my Figure 8 passed away before I trimmed his teeth (he had other health issues). My current two puffers don't need tooth trimming, so I have the entire bottle sitting here, and never actually had a chance to try it and get a feel for how much to use. I'd just ship it to you, but don't know how well shipping meds over country lines would go, plus I'd rather keep it on hand just in case of emergency I suppose.
Personally, I would go the route of fast sedation as listed for the ornamental fish.. so a higher amount with less exposure time (expose the fish to the sedation water only until they are out cold, remove from water to trim teeth, put in clean recovery water). Be sure to use a container you can shake up.. get that MS222 really well mixed in, same as you would with Clove Oil, before you add the fish. That seems to make things work smoother and easier.
I really wish I had gotten a chance to test mine out, but my Figure 8 passed away before I trimmed his teeth (he had other health issues). My current two puffers don't need tooth trimming, so I have the entire bottle sitting here, and never actually had a chance to try it and get a feel for how much to use. I'd just ship it to you, but don't know how well shipping meds over country lines would go, plus I'd rather keep it on hand just in case of emergency I suppose.
Personally, I would go the route of fast sedation as listed for the ornamental fish.. so a higher amount with less exposure time (expose the fish to the sedation water only until they are out cold, remove from water to trim teeth, put in clean recovery water). Be sure to use a container you can shake up.. get that MS222 really well mixed in, same as you would with Clove Oil, before you add the fish. That seems to make things work smoother and easier.
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Re: Advice about dosing and buying MS222 in the Uk.
Hi - just thought I'd let you know that there's another product available without going through your vet that is priced a little less also. It's called 'Koi Sedate' and it's by Kusuri. I bought it to use on my SAP's and you don't need very much and it works just fine. Puts them to sleep and then they come back looking and behaving as if nothing happened.
Get in touch if you are interested in knowing more about this product. Just thought I'd mention it as an alternative to the MS222.
Get in touch if you are interested in knowing more about this product. Just thought I'd mention it as an alternative to the MS222.
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Re: Advice about dosing and buying MS222 in the Uk.
Hi Ulysees. The 25g pot will be plenty. The dose rate is 0.03g - 0.05g per litre of tank water. (so only 0.3g - 0.5g per 10 litres!!) It is a tiny tiny amount. Impossible to measure accurately unless you have some really good scales. There is a fairly large margin of error though & I ended up just using it to effect.
Hope that helps!
Hope that helps!
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Re: Advice about dosing and buying MS222 in the Uk.
Thanks for the advice,
Wow given that i dont have accurate scales for ms222 and i'm not a vet maybe koi sedate is a better option?
I google'd koi sedate, so this is only sedative not ansthetic so should be milder?
Wow given that i dont have accurate scales for ms222 and i'm not a vet maybe koi sedate is a better option?
I google'd koi sedate, so this is only sedative not ansthetic so should be milder?