I honestly can't say I know for sure what purigen removes or doesn't remove, other than that it seems to:
1) Polish my water a bit
2) Keep the nitrates in my large saltwater tank down for longer
I'm pretty sure that whatever it does, it won't harm the nitrogen cycle in an established tank - I've never used it in a new tank, and it's never caused issues in either of the well established tanks I've used it in, so I know that it's safe under those conditions for sure.
Sick GSP
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Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Sick GSP
No matter how magnificent your successes or devastating your failures, the worlds' approximately 5 billion impoverished people could not possibly care less.
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Re: Sick GSP
Sure, but what happens if you stop using it?
The only way to remove nitrates without water changes or massive plant use is to stop them from being produced in the first place, by removing the ammoina source. Remove the ammoina source and you starve out the bacteria.
The only way to remove nitrates without water changes or massive plant use is to stop them from being produced in the first place, by removing the ammoina source. Remove the ammoina source and you starve out the bacteria.
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Re: Sick GSP
I only use Purigen on my reef tanks, to reduce chemical warfare between corals.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Yeah, but if you are using a skimmer already, that's removing the wastes and protiens already.
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Re: Sick GSP
Update:
Sg=1.012
pH=~7.8
Ammonia=0
Nitrite=0
Nitrate=~5
I waited, watching a few days to be sure that Gollum didn’t get sick, then continued raising SG. The remainder of the raise happened using the same old hydrometer, and since it was reading my tap water as anywhere between 1 and 1.004, there may have been some inconsistencies. I finally got my refractometer from ebay yesterday, so the numbers above from this morning should be accurate. There are only two shrimp left alive in the tank, so Gollum has been productive. He’s just as plucky as he has always been. It was sad to lose our newer puffer, but since the tank is only 45 gallons, we’re going to keep Gollum alone in there from now on (well, him and his occasional live foods). He’s only about 1.5 inches now, but when he’s reached his full 6”, I think the size of the tank will suit him well.
I went back to the LFS and took a look at the tank I got the other puffer from. Most of the puffers looked okay, but there was one who seriously looked bad. Instead of nice and plump, from his midpoint back he was totally sunken in and had almost no mass to him. We asked about him, and the clerk didn’t know what was wrong, but one good thing happened. I don’t know if it was from my comments, or if they had been planning to do it anyway, but when I went back, they were in the process of raising SG in their GSP tank as well! They have been helpful, and certainly more knowledgeable about aquatics than the local chain pet store, so I think I will continue to shop there for all my fishy needs. Now I just have to work on them to stop stocking those painted fish.
Thank you all for your help through everything. I've definitely become a life-long member.
Sg=1.012
pH=~7.8
Ammonia=0
Nitrite=0
Nitrate=~5
I waited, watching a few days to be sure that Gollum didn’t get sick, then continued raising SG. The remainder of the raise happened using the same old hydrometer, and since it was reading my tap water as anywhere between 1 and 1.004, there may have been some inconsistencies. I finally got my refractometer from ebay yesterday, so the numbers above from this morning should be accurate. There are only two shrimp left alive in the tank, so Gollum has been productive. He’s just as plucky as he has always been. It was sad to lose our newer puffer, but since the tank is only 45 gallons, we’re going to keep Gollum alone in there from now on (well, him and his occasional live foods). He’s only about 1.5 inches now, but when he’s reached his full 6”, I think the size of the tank will suit him well.
I went back to the LFS and took a look at the tank I got the other puffer from. Most of the puffers looked okay, but there was one who seriously looked bad. Instead of nice and plump, from his midpoint back he was totally sunken in and had almost no mass to him. We asked about him, and the clerk didn’t know what was wrong, but one good thing happened. I don’t know if it was from my comments, or if they had been planning to do it anyway, but when I went back, they were in the process of raising SG in their GSP tank as well! They have been helpful, and certainly more knowledgeable about aquatics than the local chain pet store, so I think I will continue to shop there for all my fishy needs. Now I just have to work on them to stop stocking those painted fish.
Thank you all for your help through everything. I've definitely become a life-long member.
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Re: Sick GSP
Great job getting him through that!
And we're very glad to have you stay.
And we're very glad to have you stay.
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Come and visit http://www.thetriopsforum.com!
I AM A DUDETTE!
NEED NITRIFYING BACTERIA FOR YOUR NEW TANK? PM ME!