Dear all,
I think my Nigro is sick...before starting I describe you my task and all the parametres.
Nitrite and Nitrates are 0. Ph 7.5. At the moment my Nigro lives in freshwater because when I have bought it (One month ago) he was in a freshwater and speaking about on an Italian forum (Acquaportal.it) the other users told me to leave it in a freshwater for one/two month to acclimatize itself. So my task is 150 lt. He eats artemia and kryll..one time to week a snails. I have changed a 10% of water on sunday (bioconditioned and 26° of temperature). This is the problem: I have seen that the puffer has a white speck into the eyes (centred speck). I don't know if it's normal but i don't think....It seems a cateratta. The puffer it's very little so I cannot see well the speck but I have observed He is not active like before...He eats but not with a great appetite and He swims with less energy. He is more dark...not a lot on the tummy but I have the impression he is sick. Could you help me..or suggest something? Thank you so much. I would like to start to change water from fresh to brackish on sunday...what do you think? Thank you and sorry for my english!! Elisa
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1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: What is!?
Hi Elisa,
Do you have a product called Melafix there?
Can you show us any pictures of your puffer with the problem?
Im sure the more experienced puffer owners will be here to help you shortly.
They will guide you how to slowly get your tank into a brackish, whilst your waiting why not take a look at the articles in the library and some other threads..you will learn alot from there too
Do you have a product called Melafix there?
Can you show us any pictures of your puffer with the problem?
Im sure the more experienced puffer owners will be here to help you shortly.
They will guide you how to slowly get your tank into a brackish, whilst your waiting why not take a look at the articles in the library and some other threads..you will learn alot from there too
I have 2 water water pugs that own me!!
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Re: What is!?
Thank you!!!!! I have not a photo because it's really hard to make a pic...he is very little. This speck reflects with the light. I don't know...I'm afraid It could be a parasitic. I have readen the articles..very interesting and helpful...I have already bought the salt and Hydrometer to start changing (very slowly).
P.s: I love doraemon...eh eh!!Very popular in Italy too!!
P.s: I love doraemon...eh eh!!Very popular in Italy too!!
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Re: What is!?
No:( I have not melafix...what is this!?Antibacterial....??doraemon wrote:Hi Elisa,
Do you have a product called Melafix there?
Can you show us any pictures of your puffer with the problem?
Im sure the more experienced puffer owners will be here to help you shortly.
They will guide you how to slowly get your tank into a brackish, whilst your waiting why not take a look at the articles in the library and some other threads..you will learn alot from there too
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Re: What is!?
Its a mild anti biotic
Melafix-Rapidly repairs open wounds, damaged fins, red ulcers and cloudy eyes. Safe for freshwater and saltwater tanks. Melafix® contains all natural ingredients and is beneficial when introducing new fish.
Have you read this thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19229 ?
Does your puffers eye look anything like that?
I grew up watching doraemon hehe love him
Melafix-Rapidly repairs open wounds, damaged fins, red ulcers and cloudy eyes. Safe for freshwater and saltwater tanks. Melafix® contains all natural ingredients and is beneficial when introducing new fish.
Have you read this thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19229 ?
Does your puffers eye look anything like that?
I grew up watching doraemon hehe love him
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ELISA80
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Re: What is!?
Yeah..it's similar but on my puffer I think is at the beginning...it's a speck very little at the moment. I hope to find it in Italy..it's great that it's natural!! Do you think it's depend from my water...or it's possible my puffer was already sick when I have bought it!?
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Re: What is!?
Im not quite sure but read the thread as there is good advice on there, you can buy Melafix on ebay and they will ship to Italy im sure.
If not let me know and ill try to get you some.
Im sure if you do another water change before sunday will only help the puffers though.
Do you condition the water you use for water changes?
If not let me know and ill try to get you some.
Im sure if you do another water change before sunday will only help the puffers though.
Do you condition the water you use for water changes?
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Re: What is!?
With out pictures it is difficult to tell if he has white spot. So going on the assumption that he does have it and the timing, I would definitely start to raise the SG of the tank. Make sure you do it slowly, only raise by .002 per week so you don't kill the bio filter. Raising the SG will kill the ich and also help his immune system. When you are doing water changes make sure you really vacuum the gravel very well to get rid of cysts.
One thing from the original post that is troubling me, are you sure your nitrates are zero? If you have zero nitrates it means one of two things, either your tank isn't cycled or the test was done wrong. Nitrate is the end result of ammonia breakdown so there should be some showing when you do your test. I am going to ask you to retest the water and do ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. When you do the nitrite and nitrate test, shake the bottles that you add to the test water extremely well. If they are not well shaken the tests will not work correctly.
If your tank isn't fully cycled that could be causing some of the problems you are observing.
One thing from the original post that is troubling me, are you sure your nitrates are zero? If you have zero nitrates it means one of two things, either your tank isn't cycled or the test was done wrong. Nitrate is the end result of ammonia breakdown so there should be some showing when you do your test. I am going to ask you to retest the water and do ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. When you do the nitrite and nitrate test, shake the bottles that you add to the test water extremely well. If they are not well shaken the tests will not work correctly.
If your tank isn't fully cycled that could be causing some of the problems you are observing.
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Re: What is!?
Dado Thank you so much for your answer. I have done anothet time the test of Nitrates and they are 10!!!Dadof4 wrote:With out pictures it is difficult to tell if he has white spot. So going on the assumption that he does have it and the timing, I would definitely start to raise the SG of the tank. Make sure you do it slowly, only raise by .002 per week so you don't kill the bio filter. Raising the SG will kill the ich and also help his immune system. When you are doing water changes make sure you really vacuum the gravel very well to get rid of cysts.
One thing from the original post that is troubling me, are you sure your nitrates are zero? If you have zero nitrates it means one of two things, either your tank isn't cycled or the test was done wrong. Nitrate is the end result of ammonia breakdown so there should be some showing when you do your test. I am going to ask you to retest the water and do ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. When you do the nitrite and nitrate test, shake the bottles that you add to the test water extremely well. If they are not well shaken the tests will not work correctly.
If your tank isn't fully cycled that could be causing some of the problems you are observing.
The other parametres are the same. My puffer eats but not so much...He is just a little bit grey...I'm preoccuped!
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Re: What is!?
Wonderful to hear!
"Darwin swings...annnnnnd a miss. Boy Jim, Chuck's suffered at the plate tonight. He's 0 for 3 and I'm not sure he's recovered from that shoulder pull a few weeks ago. I'll bet the front office is re-thinking that contract."
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Re: What is!?
I have taken a pic...as you can see...he is dark...I think it's sick...Today I cannot see the little speck into the eyes...I don't know if it's a normal reflect! I hope you can help me...thank you!!! Thank you all....Dadof4 wrote:Wonderful to hear!
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Re: What is!?
He stays a lot of time on the floor...and He doesn't search food like before...He eats but not a lot. Do you think it's due to freshwater?
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Re: What is!?
Very possibly--he is definately ready for brackish water. The speck may be the normal reflection many puffers have in their eyes. If I were you, I'd do larger weekly water changes raising the SG every week by .002, although a nitrate of 10 is good.
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Re: What is!?
Pufferpunk wrote:Very possibly--he is definately ready for brackish water. The speck may be the normal reflection many puffers have in their eyes. If I were you, I'd do larger weekly water changes raising the SG every week by .002, although a nitrate of 10 is good.
Thank you so much...I'll do it...I have two corydoras inside the task...I must keep them off. I love them and I'm searching somebody could take care of them. I think tomorrow I'll give them to a friend of mine.
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Re: What is!?
If it is the ich parasite, the salt will take care of that, but yes, you need to find a new home for the corydoras. The problem is if this is ich, the corydoras have been exposed to it and you could give it to whoever you give the corydoras to, so it might be best to put them in a temporary home for a while by themselves to see if they break out in it.
He looks healthy but not quite healthy, as you said.. his color is off and his eyes look a little too big for his body, but he's nice and fat. I think the salt will help, these guys don't like freshwater, they are happier with salt.
Let us know how he does, and welcome to the forum! Your english is very good too
He looks healthy but not quite healthy, as you said.. his color is off and his eyes look a little too big for his body, but he's nice and fat. I think the salt will help, these guys don't like freshwater, they are happier with salt.
Let us know how he does, and welcome to the forum! Your english is very good too
