A case of ich
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Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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A case of ich
1) pH - 7.6
ammonia - .5 ppm
nitrite - 1.0-3.0
nitrates - 0 - 20
freshwater
2) 20 U.S gal, regular tank, crushed argonite sand, plastic plants, and one GSP
3) been feeding him a rotation of frozen bloodworms, snails, and freeze dried baby shrimp; Use Jungle Start Right to dechloronize, and used some Stress zyme
4) no major changes...
5) the tank is about a half-month old...
Ok, so I've got a few confessions to make. Confession #1...I used starter fish to jump start the cycle in this tank (they turned out to be ich carriers). Confession #2 I definately didn't wait long enough for the tank to cycle, just about a week and a half...In my mind, if I had 4 fish producing waste, and then removed them and put in only one fish, the conditions would balance themselves out. I realize that it's totally wrong, and the bacteria need a longer time to grow. I bought the GSP last Sunday, and only today I've noticed that his color was much worse than normal, and that he appears to have ich. Before today...despite being stressed from the water conditions, he had a healthy appetite, improving color, and rarely paced the glass. I don't have anyone I trust to get used filter media from. After I bought him, I did 50% water changes for two days, but realized that I couldn't keep this up lest I hear from my land lady about my water. So I plan to change it again in a few days. And I'm sorry for the vague water conditions above, I have a crappy test kit (strips), and an old liquid test for ammonia.
Anyways, I had hopes that he would survive the cycling, he seemed pretty healthy and was always exploring. But as far as treating this ich, I'm not sure what to do. I read the article on using the aquarium salt, but I've been thinking...Freshwater ich is different from saltwater ich right? I was planning to bump up the SG this Sunday, would increasing the salinity (at the safe level I've read most of you suggest) along with the temperature kill them off? Will increasing the salinity do major damage to my growing bacteria? Please give me your opinion...And I'm sorry for breaking the goldren rule...I just don't have anywhere that I can buy pure ammonia from. And I didn't want to wait for food to rot in there for weeks...I've learned my lesson!
ammonia - .5 ppm
nitrite - 1.0-3.0
nitrates - 0 - 20
freshwater
2) 20 U.S gal, regular tank, crushed argonite sand, plastic plants, and one GSP
3) been feeding him a rotation of frozen bloodworms, snails, and freeze dried baby shrimp; Use Jungle Start Right to dechloronize, and used some Stress zyme
4) no major changes...
5) the tank is about a half-month old...
Ok, so I've got a few confessions to make. Confession #1...I used starter fish to jump start the cycle in this tank (they turned out to be ich carriers). Confession #2 I definately didn't wait long enough for the tank to cycle, just about a week and a half...In my mind, if I had 4 fish producing waste, and then removed them and put in only one fish, the conditions would balance themselves out. I realize that it's totally wrong, and the bacteria need a longer time to grow. I bought the GSP last Sunday, and only today I've noticed that his color was much worse than normal, and that he appears to have ich. Before today...despite being stressed from the water conditions, he had a healthy appetite, improving color, and rarely paced the glass. I don't have anyone I trust to get used filter media from. After I bought him, I did 50% water changes for two days, but realized that I couldn't keep this up lest I hear from my land lady about my water. So I plan to change it again in a few days. And I'm sorry for the vague water conditions above, I have a crappy test kit (strips), and an old liquid test for ammonia.
Anyways, I had hopes that he would survive the cycling, he seemed pretty healthy and was always exploring. But as far as treating this ich, I'm not sure what to do. I read the article on using the aquarium salt, but I've been thinking...Freshwater ich is different from saltwater ich right? I was planning to bump up the SG this Sunday, would increasing the salinity (at the safe level I've read most of you suggest) along with the temperature kill them off? Will increasing the salinity do major damage to my growing bacteria? Please give me your opinion...And I'm sorry for breaking the goldren rule...I just don't have anywhere that I can buy pure ammonia from. And I didn't want to wait for food to rot in there for weeks...I've learned my lesson!
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Re: A case of ich
Yes, using the marine salt is better in the case of a BW fish than Aq salt but the WC are stilll necessary to remove the free-swimming cycts from the water column & substrate. Are you not supposed to be keeping fish in your apt? I mean, we're ony talkiing about 10g every couple of days...
See if you can get some tetra Safestart to finish up the cycle. Add it to the filter & skip WC for a few days. You will have to do a good, 80% WC before you add it though. Get that temp up too.
See if you can get some tetra Safestart to finish up the cycle. Add it to the filter & skip WC for a few days. You will have to do a good, 80% WC before you add it though. Get that temp up too.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: A case of ich
Thank you, I'll get on it tomorrow. I can keep fish in my apartment, but I made a mistake of not washing my sand beforehand, and I wasted ALOT of water trying to clear up my tank over the course of a few days...And now it's obviously clear; I'm not afraid to do regular water changes, but this month I've already used a lot and my landlady...is kinda crazy. Thanks again, I really appreciate it.
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Re: A case of ich
That's what we're hear for! 
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: A case of ich
Good luck!
"I will give you a talisman. Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her. Will she gain anything by it? Will it restore her to a control over her own life and destiny? In other words, will it lead to freedom for the hungry and spiritually starving millions? Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away."
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Re: A case of ich
One more question...I'm not going to find Tetra Safe Start in, say, a Petco, am I? Is there a reason some retailers may not stock this?
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Re: A case of ich
It should be there...
"I will give you a talisman. Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her. Will she gain anything by it? Will it restore her to a control over her own life and destiny? In other words, will it lead to freedom for the hungry and spiritually starving millions? Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away."
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Re: A case of ich
That's one of the places you may be more sure to find it in. Check for expiration dates.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: A case of ich
I'm sad to say that they didn't carry that product...and I couldn't find it on either of the Petco or Petsmart websites. *sigh*
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Re: A case of ich
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"I will give you a talisman. Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her. Will she gain anything by it? Will it restore her to a control over her own life and destiny? In other words, will it lead to freedom for the hungry and spiritually starving millions? Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away."
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Re: A case of ich
Don't forget the DFS rebates. Info stickied in Gen Disc.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: A case of ich
Well, I've started the treatment a few days ago, and have been making WC about every other day...how long should I keep this up?
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Re: A case of ich
21 days
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"