Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
Read this before posting!!
Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
I decided that tonight was the night & I have trimmed his teeth right back. The big white area in his mouth, turned out to be a big lump of cockle! (how silly do I feel?) Anyway, will let him settle overnight & see how things look in the morning. Hoping that his mouth will start closing a little now.
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
His mouth is still not closing? His teeth do not meet at all now (unless they do right at the back - but how could i see or get in there to trim?) Any suggestions as to why this might be? Going to try & get a new picture.
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
possibly congenital at this point, especially since they don't wear down. Kinda like my teacher's rat.
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
Did you pull back the lip to see where the teeth meet the gums? They may be longer than they seem. You might use an extra set of hands for this.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
I did pull his lips back a little. Could not get the clippers any further back than I did though. Now I have moved the lump of food that was stuck in the way, I can see that the problem does still lie with his teeth right at the back. What can I use that is small enough to get in there - I am scared of nipping his skin or gums. He does seem much happier, even though I had thought there was nothing wrong with his behaviour! He can now nip at my moles when I am cleaning the tank again!
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
What have you been using,--cucticle nippers, as are recommended in the deinsitry article or fingernail clippers?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
I used cuticle clippers.
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
Hmmm... that should have been able to get in the back of his mouth then. There are only 4 plates of teeth to cut.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
I think I just panic & rush things! I am sure if I took more time I could get the clippers to the back properly. Now my concern is: anaesthetising him again - should I wait a while do you think? As always, he is happy, active & no problems eating.
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
If he's eating, happy, and active, I'd wait for the Finquel.
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
How's the swelling?
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
Wow that last pic finally came itno focus in my mind...his teeth were REALLY long. The whole time I was like "what's that shiny thing in his mouth?" LOL
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
I know. Its weird, cos I didn't really notice them cos I saw him every day - it was only when I saw an old photo of him that I realised!liquid88 wrote:Wow that last pic finally came itno focus in my mind...his teeth were REALLY long. The whole time I was like "what's that shiny thing in his mouth?" LOL
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
The swelling has all but gone, without treatment. Should get some MS222(Finquel) on Monday from the vets, so will need to get to the back of his mouth & get those teeth done properly! Any suggestions as to how long I should wait after using clove oil, before I use the MS222 to anaesthetise him?Pufferpunk wrote:How's the swelling?
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Re: Tumour vs Abscess in GSP
It's been long enough.
You are getting sleepy... you only hear the sound of my voice... you must do water changes... water changes... water changes... water changes...
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"
"The solution to pollution is dilution!"