I hope somebody can help - I've not been on here for ages but this morning I noticed that Barry (my mbu) was having a very red looking crap. On closer inspection it looks more like part of his gut! - To make things worse the pakistani knife fish tried to eat it and dragged it out further! Instantly I seperated him but he justs sits there now looking sorrowfull.
Will it go back of its own accord, has this happened to anyone else before? is there anything I can do?
Tank parameters are all normal nitrite 0, ph 7.2, nitrates 80 (bit high I know) ammonia 0
hope someone can suggest a course of action
Mike
mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
PP addressed a similar concern raised by someone on WWM back in 2007. Here's a copy of the post for you:
Possible treatment in bold.WetWebMedia wrote: Pufferpoo 1/26/07 Mbu health
<Hi Shazza, Pufferpunk here>
I have a 5 month old Mbu Puffer, he has always been fine, eats well and happy. Today ive <I've> noticed a very large bowel movement coming from him,<.> its <It's> thick and lumpy, whitish with red veins going through it. I am very worried. It is still joined to him and is as long as he is (4.5 inches at least)<.> Please help<!>
Thanks<,> Shazza
<Please read your letter before sending, to be sure you have used the proper punctuation & capitalization. I corrected this one. These have to be posted in our FAQs. My thought about your puffer is that it may have a prolapsed rectum/intestine. You can try treating with 1 tbsp Epsom salt/5gallon. It may just be a superpoo. Epsom salt wouldn't hurt in either case. You might be overfeeding your puffer. In that case, the food is only partially digested & this may be what you are seeing. Here is an excellent Mbu story by a puffer keeper of close to 50 years:
viewtopic.php?t=150
You are welcome to join in at that forum & post about your puffer! ~PP>
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
There is an excellent thread in this forum about Annabelle's anus.. Try a search for it.
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
Pufferpunk wrote:There is an excellent thread in this forum about Annabelle's anus.. Try a search for it.
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
if this works then you should see a photo of him in the isolation tank
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
obviously it didn't work..............how do you post pictures? 
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
Thanks Dadof4 pictures now added to my album 
the pictures show the distension, I definately don't think this is worms it is definately a prolapse
the pictures show the distension, I definately don't think this is worms it is definately a prolapse
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
i really hope someone can help you soon
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
I'm not sure if I can help, but I had a similar problem a few weeks ago with my suvattii. There was something coming from his anus and I thought it was his intestine. I really didn't think he would get better and prepared myself for his ultimate death.
Well I went ahead and treated him for worms, I used a wormer made for Discus, so that it is gentle for the puffers. I also added Melafix and Pimafix, but not at the same time as the wormer.
All I can say is that my suvattii is absolutely fine now, he's eating and doing things as he normally would do, there's NOTHING hanging out of his anus AT ALL.
So that might be the route for you to take ... I cannot say for sure because I am still very much a novice when it comes to ailments and health issues with my puffers.
Good luck and hope your puffer makes a full recovery.
Well I went ahead and treated him for worms, I used a wormer made for Discus, so that it is gentle for the puffers. I also added Melafix and Pimafix, but not at the same time as the wormer.
All I can say is that my suvattii is absolutely fine now, he's eating and doing things as he normally would do, there's NOTHING hanging out of his anus AT ALL.
So that might be the route for you to take ... I cannot say for sure because I am still very much a novice when it comes to ailments and health issues with my puffers.
Good luck and hope your puffer makes a full recovery.
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
Definately does not look like camallanus.mikweg wrote:Thanks Dadof4 pictures now added to my album
the pictures show the distension, I definately don't think this is worms it is definately a prolapse
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
That really does look like a prolapse. Like coldmachineUK said in the earlier post, I'd treat for IP's and also with eposm salt. She has the appearance of needing a round of IP meds, kind of pinched in and uneven around the midsection. I'd do the IP treatment and then, like was mentioned, treat with Pimafix and Melafix afterward.
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
Damn that is not good.
For parasites I have used Kusuri Wormer Plus but I dont think that'll do much but could be worth a try along with other treatments recommended
What also is springing to mind is perhaps send him under with some clove oil and try to gently push it back in. (I think i'd use that as a last resort) If medications dont seem to make it better i'd try and find a vet in your area that has done some work on fish.
Is he still passing waste?
For parasites I have used Kusuri Wormer Plus but I dont think that'll do much but could be worth a try along with other treatments recommended
What also is springing to mind is perhaps send him under with some clove oil and try to gently push it back in. (I think i'd use that as a last resort) If medications dont seem to make it better i'd try and find a vet in your area that has done some work on fish.
Is he still passing waste?
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
The Kusuri wormer was what I used, very good stuff!
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
Yeah, i'vehad good results from it, there used to be some stuff used on her called Flubenol 15 but we couldnt get it any more from the supplier. Kusuri is basically the same stuff. Flubendazole ( think I remembered the name right) based wormer.schismy007 wrote:The Kusuri wormer was what I used, very good stuff!
Top stuff. Cleared up IP's on puffers no problem with no side affects. Used it on my Bichirs just incase they had any parasites lurking in the gills.
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Re: mbu with what looks like a prolapsed gut!!!
biggest problem now is trying to find a vet in my area who can help - fish vets seem few and far between any one know of one in Surrey/Kent/East Sussex? 
On the plus side he is swimming now and not just sitting on the bottom, I spoke to a vet who used to treat fish who advised me that because of the pressures in a puffer fish gut simply pushing it back in won't work, it needs to be stiched in but then that may cause problems with any fecal matter which gets stuck - prognosis not good
Damn this is sad
On the plus side he is swimming now and not just sitting on the bottom, I spoke to a vet who used to treat fish who advised me that because of the pressures in a puffer fish gut simply pushing it back in won't work, it needs to be stiched in but then that may cause problems with any fecal matter which gets stuck - prognosis not good
Damn this is sad