Ok here are the pics. There are white dots on his fin on the left side when looking straight at him. There is also one dot on the base of his top fin. I hope you guys can tell whether its ich or not.. Thanks
PS those little dots on his skin only show up when the flash goes off and you cant see them without the flash it is smooth.
Mis Diagnosis Of ICH?? With PICS now!!
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Since this board has been up, we have found there are several questions that routinely get asked in order to help diagnose problems. If you can have that information to begin with in your post, we'll be able to help right away (if we can!) without having to wait for you to post the info we need.
1) Your water parameters - pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrates and salinity (if appropriate). This is by far the most important information you can provide! Do not answer this with "Fine" "Perfect" "ok", that tells us nothing. We need hard numbers.
2) Tank size and a list of ALL inhabitants. Include algae eaters, plecos, everything. We need to know what you have and how big the tank is.
3) Feeding, water change schedule and a list of all products you are using or have added to the tank (examples: Cycle, Amquel, salt, etc)
4) What changes you've made in the tank in the last week or so. Sometimes its the little things that make all the difference.
5) How long the aquarium has been set up, and how did you cycle it? If you don't know what cycling is read this: Fishless Cycling Article and familiarize yourself with all the information. Yes. All of it.
We want to help, and providing this information will go a LONG way to getting a diagnosis and hopeful cure that much faster.
While you wait for assistance:
One of the easiest and best ways to help your fish feel better is clean water! If you are already on a regular water change schedule (50% weekly is recommended) a good step to making your fish more comfortable while waiting for diagnosis/suggestions is to do a large water change immediately. Feel free to repeat daily or as often as you can, clean water is always a good thing! Use of Amquel or Prime as a dechlor may help with any ammonia or nitrite issues, and is highly recommended.
Note - if you do not normally do large water changes, doing a sudden, large water change could shock your fish by suddenly changing their established water chemistry. Clean water is still your first goal, so in this case, do several smaller (10%) water changes over the next day or two before starting any large ones.
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Re: Mis Diagnosis Of ICH??
I don't see any pictures...
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Sorry the pic was too big so i had to crop it and reload
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Re: Mis Diagnosis Of ICH??
The one on his dorsal looks too big to be ich...
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So the dots on his skin that show up with the flash its not ich right? cause its not there without the flash and his skin is totally smooth. i could be pigmentation or something. Do the dots on his left fin look like ich? its still there after 11 days of treatment now
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Re: Mis Diagnosis Of ICH??
I'm not sure. The picture is a little blurry. Someone who's better at this than me will be along shortly. 
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Re: Mis Diagnosis Of ICH?? With PICS now!!
It doesn't really look like ich to me either... I dont know what it is. 
Hopefully someone can give you more info.
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Anyone have any idea what it is? maybe bacterial infection? or fungus? i dont know..
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Re: Mis Diagnosis Of ICH?? With PICS now!!
It appears that the spots on his skin look like they are his spines. All puffers have them and you can see them on some and not see them on others. The spots on the fins, the one on the dorsal fin is too blurry to really get a good look at it. The ones on the pectoral fins I have seen on my own puffers before, especially my GSP, and they are only on the pectorals. Does that sound like what you are seeing? If it is, the spots on the pectorals are not Ich. I treated my GSP for Ich, and he definitely had it; the ich went away but those spots stayed and just spread out as he grew. IF you can, get a real clear picture on the white area on the dorsal fin, I can see it but not clear enough. Has that spot changed with the salt and heat?
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Re: Mis Diagnosis Of ICH?? With PICS now!!
The dots on his skin are his spines, not ich.
The spots on his fins look to be healing injuries, possibly with a touch of fungal infection but most likely just some scar tissue while they heal.
Clean water should be all you need.
Ich looks like little grains of salt all over the fins/fish, not just a small, lumpy bump here or there.
The spots on his fins look to be healing injuries, possibly with a touch of fungal infection but most likely just some scar tissue while they heal.
Clean water should be all you need.
Ich looks like little grains of salt all over the fins/fish, not just a small, lumpy bump here or there.
Re: Mis Diagnosis Of ICH?? With PICS now!!
Ok, I really hope its not ich as it will affect my entire tank until i kill them all with heat and salt. However, I will keep this treatment up for another 20 days as long as my Abei seems ok with it just in case. After that i will move him to his new 75 gallon home!! lol hope he will like it
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Re: Mis Diagnosis Of ICH?? With PICS now!!
It didn't look like ich to me either, and I believe if it was, you'd see much more white in those fins, that's how I can usually tell when mine have whitespot/ich.
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Re: Mis Diagnosis Of ICH?? With PICS now!!
Thanks guys, I'm stopping the treatment now and beginning to lower the temp of the tank down. I hope the dots on his fins will go away.
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Re: Mis Diagnosis Of ICH?? With PICS now!!
Well if the spots are his spine, chances are they wont. However, it's just a part of his body and nothing to worry about.